masakarijoe Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 so, the USMC is replacing 2000 of the 8000 M249 SAWs we have for 4100 IARs (Infantry Automatic Rifles) basically a lightweight support weapon similar in role design to the BAR, the USMC is currently testing deciding between a few different competitors. here are the designs currently in the running: LWRC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LWRC_Infantry_Automatic_Rifle COLT: http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?n...cle&sid=885 ULTIMAX: http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?n...cle&sid=853 GENERAL DYNAMICS: http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?n...le&sid=1187 PATRIOT ORDINANCE FIREARMS: FN: HK: NO INFORMATION, but it is based off of the 416 so, in short... any ideas on how to make any of them? the USMC hasnt chosen one specifically yet, and thats what i want to make... until then, id like some ideas -Joe Link to post Share on other sites
The Crunchy Bunny Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 FDE ACOG w/ Doctor, FDE MBK (I think G&P makes one), Gemtech HALO, Grippod, Troy 10" Railed handguard. Since it would be difficult to get matching colors, you could always Duracoat it FDE. Link to post Share on other sites
kodiak22 Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 theirs a thread with the scar IAR pic on Military photos here it is: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showt...2005&page=6 post number 87 i believe. the Scar one looks easiest to make maybe the only thing you need to pu ton is something like http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.php?cPa...oducts_id=1615( not exactly), and some rail cover i think tango down is the brand they use? and what Crunchy said for the LWRC Link to post Share on other sites
masakarijoe Posted November 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 thanks for the pic kodiak! so far both good suggestions. bunny, i think you hit the nail on the head there. the LWRC seems easiest to make, aside from the SCAR. but who will win... thats the question... -Joe Link to post Share on other sites
The Crunchy Bunny Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 I hope the LWRC wins, the others are fugly. Link to post Share on other sites
Victory Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 I almost built this. Only needed the MBK and a few other bits. My basic kitlist was: G&P SR-25K URX Front End (DuraCoated in FDE) Magpul Rail Covers Replica Grippod G&P/Magpul PTS Receiver in FDE Magpul PTS MIAD in Black Replica CTR Stock in Black As for optics, I would have used the ELCAN I wanted to buy from you, Joe, but that didn't quite work out. -Vic Link to post Share on other sites
masakarijoe Posted November 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 I hope the LWRC wins, the others are fugly. well, we dont really adopt new rifles on looks... its about their effectiveness. and so far, the ultimax is sounding like the best choice. i doubt it will win though anyway, vic, you are always starting unique AR projects... but never finishing them! somebody needs to do this. i will build whatever wins, eventually -Joe Link to post Share on other sites
dobey Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 well, we dont really adopt new rifles on looks... its about kickbacks. fixed. Link to post Share on other sites
masakarijoe Posted November 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 ^what...? -Joe Link to post Share on other sites
Stormleader Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 I think the GD looks like a cross between a M4 and a M249 I wonder why they are replacing the M249s? It's not like any of these are belt-fed, meaning that you would have to change mags more often I would think. Oh, and we have the exact same Bi-Pod that is mounted on that Colt. -Stormy Link to post Share on other sites
kodiak22 Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 i hope and think the one that will win will be the General dynamics ultimax variant, looks to be the best of the lot, though its ugly the recoil on it alone win my vote, not to mention the other features. Link to post Share on other sites
Weirdguy Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 The original post is incorrect. Ultimax = General Dynamics. Link to post Share on other sites
kodiak22 Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 The original post is incorrect. Ultimax = General Dynamics. i tried to hint at that in my last post edit: Oh yea um theirs and updated pic of the Colt IAR as well as GD IAR, as well as some other goodies( a few pages back) here: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=143741 Link to post Share on other sites
masakarijoe Posted November 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 whoops... sorry mistake -Joe Link to post Share on other sites
stuie Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 ^what...? -Joe It means colt will win. Also I rather like the look of the LWRC Link to post Share on other sites
kodiak22 Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 i have doubts colt will win( just by their name atleast) i mean they dont even make the m16s for the corps now, but would love to see the Ultimax/ general dynamics wins Link to post Share on other sites
HKpilz Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 LWRC has a good system going on in that rifle, I think I saw it on future weapons. Link to post Share on other sites
masakarijoe Posted November 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 yes, it was. i think LWRC will win, but none of us has any first hand experience, so we cant say which is "best" we will see. until then, projects projects... no one has made any of these yet? will i be the first? -Joe Link to post Share on other sites
aber_guy11 Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 I like the SCAR, but I think it should be in a 7.62. I just like the stopping power of the 7.62 over 5.56. Link to post Share on other sites
maxxxmonster Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 replace the 249...? Link to post Share on other sites
aber_guy11 Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 I don't think they need to completely replace the 249, but with something like a SCAR in 7.62 could be a good supplement to a 249 in a squad or platoon. It's lighter and more accurate can you can conceivably carry more ammo. Link to post Share on other sites
masakarijoe Posted November 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 it will be in 5.56. not 7.62... that is NOT what the weapon is made for. it is made to be a lightweight automatic suppression weapon, as an alternative to the SAW. the SAW will not be replaced, but SUPPLEMENTED with these weapons. they will feed off of standard 30 round m16 magazines. -Joe Link to post Share on other sites
db_pepsi Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Okay, for those who are a bit confused on why the corps is replacing the m249 is mainly due to how slow it is to ready the system when fired on by the enemy. For regular rifleman, the bolt is already cocked and ready to fire, if not, easily cocked. If you think about it, a SAW needs to be ready almost if not quicker than the rest of the squad. A m249's bolt is kept open once cocked, making it easily filled with dust/debre(sp?). And since the m249 cannot fire immiately if they bolt is closed, unlike a regular AR, it is not a very convienent support weapon. The USMC has looked at this for quite a while and has finally decided to go with a IAR. Even though they are not completely replacing every single SAW(m249) they are just replacing those that are for priority missions(such as patrols, recon, etc). PS. I am merely stating what I recall on an article I've recently read. I cannot, ATM, locate it, but once I do, I will fill in the blanks/correct some errors. Sorry if 90% of this is false. Link to post Share on other sites
kodiak22 Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Also Most if not all the Companies have a C-mag typoe box bags for them also ( i know LWRC, Colt, and GD,, and Para Ordinance do and bet Fn does to but not sure) Link to post Share on other sites
aber_guy11 Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Yeah, I get the concept. All I was saying is that I think it should be in 7.62, but then again, I think all standard military rifles should be in 7.62...I just like it better. Link to post Share on other sites
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