kodiak22 Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 now if you want a better "standard round" then 6.5 grendel is overall hard to beat. Link to post Share on other sites
masakarijoe Posted November 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 WHY? have you fired a 7.62 support weapon? have you fired a 5.56 support weapon? no? then doesnt that make it hard to make a decision about what the Corp should use? im not insulting you, merely stating that without the proper experience, NONE of us can decide what is best for the military. now, that said, the Corps is looking for an IAR for a few reasons. 1 is that the SAW is very, very heavy and bulky. 2 is that it is belt fed, which means that reloading is considerable slower, and sharing ammunition between riflemen not possible (though the M249 does accept M16 mags as a secondary means). however, ammunition may be readied for use faster with a belt fed weapon, as magazines dont have to be loaded. 3 is that the SAW is open bolt ONLY. an open bolt weapon is superior for the support role, but a closed bolt weapon is superior for the rifleman role; the first shot of fire from an open bolt weapon is drastically less reliable than the first shot from a closed bolt, as well as far less accurate because the bolt must close first, jerking the weapon. the Corps wants a weapon that not only fills the automatic rifleman role, but the support role. the IAR will fill that gap, though i think they need to find a better means of feeding it. Cmags will not hold up to military use. -Joe Link to post Share on other sites
Weirdguy Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 the Corps wants a weapon that not only fills the automatic rifleman role, but the support role. the IAR will fill that gap, though i think they need to find a better means of feeding it. Cmags will not hold up to military use. -Joe The General Dynamics drum mag for the normal ultimax is one of the best out there, feeds all the time and no need to mess with belts. It owuld be great if they adopted it for the Ultimax Mk 4. Link to post Share on other sites
masakarijoe Posted November 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 yes, that DOES sound like the best choice... but not having experience with testing them myself, i cant say for sure what is "best" only the USMC can make that decision. -Joe Link to post Share on other sites
kodiak22 Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 yea true we cant say which is best, all we can do is speculate. and about the C-mag, i said they C-mag like, if that make sense? if not im sorry im very tired. but like the LWRC one is suppose to be alot more reliable then previous so its always peossible . Link to post Share on other sites
tosuzu Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Sure an sirsoft IAR could be built but seriously I wouldn't trust v2 for sustained fire... Althought I do like the idea of a real world IAR supplement the m249. Link to post Share on other sites
masakarijoe Posted November 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 G&P did it for their M249s, why not make one for this? the donor mechbox would probably be a TM anyway, for me. whenever i DO do this. -Joe Link to post Share on other sites
tosuzu Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Ehhh? v2 in m249 on a G+P? Huh I must of been misinformed cause I thought it was v3 for the whole time lol. Ohh well GL please post your result. Link to post Share on other sites
masakarijoe Posted November 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 yes, it is a Version 2 in their M249. so anyway, so far for the LWRC, this project is looking very possible. im thinking: FDE reciever FDE DD 10" freefloat RAS FDE ACOG ECOS flip up front sight grip pod peq15 rail covers magpul retractable stock A2 grip C mag no ideas for the colt yet. the ultimax would have to be a custom build. the patriot arms would be similar to the LWRC, but with that crazy rail system, and come other cosmetic changes. the FN would be pretty much a scar with a custom made barrel. -Joe Link to post Share on other sites
kodiak22 Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 looks pretty good so far, might have to make one once i actually get a gun lol. but keep us updated would love to see how it turns out, and from the pic you post of the colt for the most part that one looks just like a normal M4, with a little different handguard Link to post Share on other sites
masakarijoe Posted November 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 yeah, thats just it... its nothing like anything ive seen before. -Joe Link to post Share on other sites
Noart Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Don't forget the heavier barrell, otherwise it will just be another m4 with a bipod/grippod. Link to post Share on other sites
masakarijoe Posted November 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 oh yes; the only real hurtles so far in this project for the 3 M4 variants of the IAR are the front ends, including barrels. -Joe Link to post Share on other sites
masakarijoe Posted November 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 ideas for LWRC or POF: http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.php?cPa...roducts_id=1381 http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.php?cPa...roducts_id=1667 but the rail is difficult for both... the barrel for the POF: http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.php?cPa...roducts_id=1445 the COLT would be easiest of the M4 types, as it is just a standard M4A1 look, but with that new front end... for which i have no ideas. -Joe Link to post Share on other sites
Frakk2k Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 This reminds me of the test they did on the HK416, when they rotated the gun while shooting upside down and like a bazjillion rounds. I guess a 416 wouldnt be a bad base for such a gun Link to post Share on other sites
Minds Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 the Mk. 5 seems promising, AR-15-mag fed, Rail Estates, and Grip-Pods Link to post Share on other sites
kodiak22 Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 the Mk. 5 seems promising, AR-15-mag fed, Rail Estates, and Grip-Pods thats not even the ultimax's selling point , here watch this http://video.aol.com/video-detail/cis-ultimax-100/4068543619 , That recoil is sweet , and sorry best vid i could find on it in 2 minutes Link to post Share on other sites
tosuzu Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 That nice recoil but I never seen the M249 recoil(Or at least a good video). RoF seems kinda slow(?). Hmmmm is Mk. 5 a folding or non-folding stock? It seems like it could fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Wraith18A Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Depends on what stock you have on the SAW, and what position you're in. Prone with the standard MKII stock = easy recoil, standing with the para stock and its a PITA. I have a news article I received from the Blackwater Tactical Weekly... have not yet read it, but anyways: http://www.defensetech.org/archives/004458.html Link to post Share on other sites
Gh0st.Raven Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 so, the USMC is replacing 2000 of the 8000 M249 SAWs we have for 4100 IARs (Infantry Automatic Rifles) basically a lightweight support weapon similar in role design to the BAR, the USMC is currently testing deciding between a few different competitors. -Joe just a bit of clarification, the Corps isn't replacing 25% of the SAWs in service as the above suggest (2000 of 8000) instead the Corps is replacing 20% of the SAWs currently in service (2K of 10K), reducing the number to 8000. Their goal is to supplement the SAW instead of replacing it. Source: MarineTimes anyway, back on topic, I like the LWRC. i've always liked their work of art. it seems to be the easiest to reproduce of the bunch Link to post Share on other sites
Stormleader Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 ...replacing 20% of the SAWs currently in service (2000 of 10,000), reducing the number to 8000... Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what your saying right? Cause I was a little confused at first -Stormy Link to post Share on other sites
Gh0st.Raven Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 yes 20% of 10K edited my post, thanks Link to post Share on other sites
Stormleader Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 No problem. -Stormy Link to post Share on other sites
ruchik Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Sorry for the slight necropost, but who makes Troy 10" RIS/RAS systems? Link to post Share on other sites
Wraith18A Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Uhm, Troy? Link to post Share on other sites
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