USMC IAR

[Magsz]

Joe, instead of the DD rail i think you would be better off with a replica samson rail for the LWRC project. Its closer in appearance to the Proprietary LWRC unit.

[ruchik]

So real steel Troy RIS units fit the WE M4?

[kodiak22]

IAR OFFICIALLY DOWNSELECTED

 

check it out here: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=148407

 

unfortunatly LWRC, and General Dynamics didnt make it.

[Victory]

I'm thinking this topic is pretty much dead. Let's try to revive it, eh?

 

Alright, so, what I had planned for my M468 might not work out. If this is the case, it leaves me with an extra MBK (Guarder's Tan Marine MBK), an extra rail system (ACM DD RASII) and a couple extra stocks (CTR and a couple M93Bs).

 

So, what to do will all these parts?

 

Build a LRWC Inspired IAR, of course!

 

 

Alright, from left to right (for the most part), here's my plan.

 

ACM/Madbull Gemtech Halo in FDE

Classic Army Flash Hider

ACM Fluted Barrel Extension

G&P Heavy Fluted Barrel

ACM DD RASII in FDE

Modified JG HK416 Gas Block (Front Sight Removed)

SRC HK416 Gas Piston

ACM VLTOR BiPod in FDE

ACM Troy BUIS

Vanaras PEQ-15 in FDE

Guarder New Generation Marines MBK in Tan

ACM ACOG w/Doctor in FDE

D-Boys C-Mag

ACM Magpul Trigger Guard

STAR Ergo Grip (Black) or ACM MIAD in FDE

ACM CTR (Black) or G&P M93B in FDE or Magpul PTS M93B (Black)

 

I already have most of this, so it shouldn't take long.

 

Thoughts? Suggestions?

 

-Vic

[Victory]

Another concept picture, with the M468 below it.

 

 

-Vic

[masakarijoe]

whoa... i missed this stuff, and in my own thread!

so, now its just colt, FN, and HK that are in the running? and the winner will be one of them?

any idea what the HK rifle is?

-Joe

[Victory]

I'd guess a beef'd up HK416.

 

I have yet to see any pics, which is kinda' disappointing.

 

-Vic

 

Edit:

 

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The one in the middle, perhaps? Or is that the DMR version?

 

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[Noart]

Victory:

Middle one is probably a DMR, the barrell is too thin.

[kodiak22]

Yea Joe unfortunately it s down to those 3 companies/4 rifles and the HK one is just a Hk416 with a heavy barrel, and bipod from what ive heard. i really wanted the LWRC, or the general dynamics ones to win . and ive heard LWRC is disputing the decisions or something like that so we may see it after all . After i finally get a AEG i plan on making atleast one of these, and maybe a couple of the guns for the army future carbine trials............ but thats for another thread.

[Jagdraben]

It might be the H&K to soothe H&K's hurt feelings after the XM8 and SCAR left them out in the cold.

 

But it might also be the FN if the SCAR project is really a devious effort to replace the M16/M4.

 

I don't give the Colt very good odds, but you never know... certain Congressmen from Connecticut might decide to intervene once more to put American servicemen at risk.

[Weirdguy]

The FN one probably has the coolest feature, it changes from open to closed bolt automatically to prevent cook-off.

 

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/12/23/fn-iar/

 

I'm still wondering what their 100 round mag will look like.

[Jagdraben]

Probably a double-drum. Sticks and single drums, at least in the 100-round size that would be needed, would be too long for effective use while prone.

[meppie]

It might be the H&K to soothe H&K's hurt feelings after the XM8 and SCAR left them out in the cold.

This time I think it is because the HK416 is really a lot better and not too futuristic for the average American.

 

But it might also be the FN if the SCAR project is really a devious effort to replace the M16/M4.

Who knows? The HK416 has an advantage over the SCAR due to the simple upgrade option instead of a complete weapon

 

I don't give the Colt very good odds, but you never know... certain Congressmen from Connecticut might decide to intervene once more to put American servicemen at risk.

Yep, patriotism is everywhere so it would not suprise me if average Joe in the field has to die because a politician wants to win a few votes. I also wonder if Colt is not going to steal/copy the HK416 concept, tweak it a little bit and then introduce it as a new and revolutionary system into the market. Then go for the glorious "Made In the USA" promo and sell it to the Army.

[Jagdraben]

This time I think it is because the HK416 is really a lot better and not too futuristic for the average American.

 

And yet I still have a hard time feeling sorry everytime H&K gets their hand slapped away from the cookie jar.

 

Who knows? The HK416 has an advantage over the SCAR due to the simple upgrade option instead of a complete weapon

 

Which is actually a disadvantage, as well.

 

Simple up-grades are never simple. And most of the time, it's easier to adopt a new weapon system entirely than to simply upgrade one already in service.

 

Yep, patriotism is everywhere so it would not suprise me if average Joe in the field has to die because a politician wants to win a few votes. I also wonder if Colt is not going to steal/copy the HK416 concept, tweak it a little bit and then introduce it as a new and revolutionary system into the market. Then go for the glorious "Made In the USA" promo and sell it to the Army.

 

Colt is already working on their own piston-op AR. They call it the M5.

 

And it isn't really stealing, since Colt came up with the idea in the 1970s. H&K just dusted it off and gave it a spray-on coat of sex appeal.

[meppie]

Colt is already working on their own piston-op AR. They call it the M5.

 

And it isn't really stealing, since Colt came up with the idea in the 1970s. H&K just dusted it off and gave it a spray-on coat of sex appeal.

Any ideas/info why Colt did not put this 1970's idea into the market?

[kodiak22]

But it might also be the FN if the SCAR project is really a devious effort to replace the M16/M4.

.

 

actually the army is holding a competition next spring/summer for a new carbine, and yes the FN has entered the scar, but their are a lot more people entering too.

 

Meppie: they did but the army didn't want it, and i dont think it was ever offered to the public.

 

i hope that LWRC's dispute on the test are real, when i join the USMC in a few years, i want the best weapon i can get. but i also think that it should be American design and make by an American company. plus i think LWRC's IAR was one of the best(i think i like it a little more the the GD Ultimax).

[meppie]

i want the best weapon i can get. but i also think that it shoudd be american design and make by an american company.

Well, this is an open goal so I am going to kick it.

What if the best gun you can buy is not American or will be produced within the US. Will you then just surrender to the enemy because your weapon stopped functioning but you are proud to have fought with an American weapon or to you prefer to kick the <censored> out of the enemy even if you are holding a non-American weapon in your hands?

 

Short version: why should it be an American weapon? Why is a good weapon from any other country not good enough? The Europeans can produce great and more reliable weapons as well.

[BigAl]

The FN one probably has the coolest feature, it changes from open to closed bolt automatically to prevent cook-off.

 

So does the LWRC one. Listen to

at 5.10 minutes. It's probably parts of the military reuirments for the IAR.

[kodiak22]

Well, this is an open goal so I am going to kick it.

What if the best gun you can buy is not American or will be produced within the US. Will you then just surrender to the enemy because your weapon stopped functioning but you are proud to have fought with an American weapon or to you prefer to kick the <censored> out of the enemy even if you are holding a non-American weapon in your hands?

 

Short version: why should it be an American weapon? Why is a good weapon from any other country not good enough? The Europeans can produce great and more reliable weapons as well.

 

lol maybe i should have worded it better. don't get me wrong Europeans sure can make some awesome weapons. and i would use anything given to me. and yes i know M249, Mp5s, and other weapons are made here but its not an american company. and if the best gun i can get is from a belgium or german company then its good to go, but i would prefer a weapon made by an american company thats all it is. i mean lets say you have 2 weapons, exact same specs, cost, and everything would you choose a weapon made by a US company, or a weapon made by a company from the netherlands? Get what im saying? im sorry if im sounding liek mushmouth, having a very off day lol.

 

and enough of this its going way off topic lol

[meppie]

I do not get the whole IAR thingie. During WW2 they already figured out that the MG42 was pinning down the allies playing with BAR and BREN due to magazine fed versus belt-fed. A 30-round magazine will put down the heads down for a mere second or so. The only option then to extend the heads-down time is to use some drum-mags. If you want to introduce a support-weapon into your squad, it should least be able to keep them heads down for more then just 30-rounds.

 

The two reasons the IAR was required is that the SAW is heavy to handle/transport/walk with and it draws attention and therefor the SAW-gunner became a primairy target to shoot at.

 

So maybe the "golden" question, which a manufacturer could answer me, but why can you not make an M4, M15/16, HK416 version with a belt-fed option? This to increase the heads-down time. Because one thing we all know is that the more ammo you can dispatch to the other side the greater your chance to get them to give up.

[Noart]

Kinda like the HK21?

Anyone know if Beta Company fixed the feeding issues with the C-Mag yet?

[kodiak22]

ok im just a civilian so any can not listen if they want

 

Some if not all manufactures are making 100 drum/c-mags for them so we dont have to worry about that. and i think the reason they aren't doing a belt fed version is because i think it would be harder to reload then a magazine fed version.

 

and the reason for the IAR i believe to to have a weapon that was smaller, and lighter ( obviously thats excluding a drum mag) , and " have a weapon a rifleman can use for his normal duties" the latter is what they said (but i dont know if they ever actually said the former so please correct me if im wrong)

[DesertFoxRomel]

So maybe the "golden" question, which a manufacturer could answer me, but why can you not make an M4, M15/16, HK416 version with a belt-fed option? This to increase the heads-down time. Because one thing we all know is that the more ammo you can dispatch to the other side the greater your chance to get them to give up.

+1, would of worked if the OEM or Ares actually release their Shrike belt fed upper, but on the other hand, it makes it more complicated, and thus, more likely to fail under adverse conditions. I am no expert, and I am not a soldier, but I have heard that the M249, the current SAW that this project aims to replace, jams a lot. I recon it might be because sand can get through the big hole of a feed tray cover, M4 magwell, and muzzle, versus the M4/16, which has smaller ports, such as the mag well, bolt cover, and muzzle.

 

 

Kinda like the HK21?

Anyone know if Beta Company fixed the feeding issues with the C-Mag yet?

 

I am wondering that too, as I heard lots of bad things when a unit tested the said magazines to replace/ compliment belt feds with M4/ M16s in an article.

 

[yubbermax]

desertFoxRommel: The point of the IAR is to supplement the M249. It aims to increase the firepower of the squad and try not to draw attention to itself like a big SAW (SAWs are targeted by enemies and they want to reduce casualties)

[masakarijoe]

the IAR is like the SAWs M4 carbine; not replacing it, but supplementing it. useful in small places, or where the 200 round belt fed saw would be unnecessary or unwieldy

-Joe