TK4235 Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 Kenny what do you mean by a hard barrel base? Can you send me a link to the part you've ordered? Ta. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TK4235 Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 Do you mean one of these? Made by lay lax. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
weekenny Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 Thats one option mate the other is this Which is the one I ordered as I think it will be more stable than the one you pictured as it is still only a horseshoe. You'll see what I'm on about with the barrel if you use your stock base with the DD rail. (not loose but does flex) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zaimon Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Do you mean one of these? Made by lay lax. The laylax has no difference from the stock one. the ARS split barrel base gives 360 degrees equal pressure when it is locked. makes your barrel in a straight position. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Richard Y Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 let me know if the 360 degree fits ok the first ars barrel base ones i recieved didnt fit well so ive only ordered the laylax ever since. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zaimon Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8YdIzS_Zho&context=C3c73dfdADOEgsToPDskJWTueiQR1k3iy63FZbMaLL M4A1 Recce Tan looks so sexy. Edited December 22, 2011 by zaimon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zaimon Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 let me know if the 360 degree fits ok the first ars barrel base ones i recieved didnt fit well so ive only ordered the laylax ever since. i believed they recall the first one.i got the new version and it works well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akiraspeedstar Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Damn I wish that you didn't need different cylinders to match the inner barrel length, I'd love to build a DMR Upper with a nice 16"-20" Barrel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
weekenny Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 There is a lot of overlap in the "ideal" ratios and the full cylinder in the sopmod should give scope for a longer tight barrel. I'd have thought. Try http://www.filairsoft.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79832 The tool should give you an idea of how long you can go with the barrel. Having read a bit about this before some practical test results don't tie in with some of the popular theories. Like so much in airsoft there is plenty of bad info out there. Personally the barrel ratio in my opinion is an efficiency ratio if you like ie the barrels will work fine but it may not be the most efficient setup giving unexpected fps results. Given that with recoil guns we aren't building for high rate of fire I'd expect you'd be ok with any reasonable barrel size. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akiraspeedstar Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Well I installed a Prometheus TYPE D Cylinder, all of the shops say it should only be used up to a 300mm barrel (which I have). Using that tool it says that I can go all the way up to a 310mm before it being under ratio. So according to this tool, if I were to buy a TYPE B Cylinder, I'd still be able to utilize a 300mm barrel, yet build a long range upper with a 500mm barrel. Though it would be very close to being over ratio, though it'd still function. Hmmm....choices... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
weekenny Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Well I picked up my barrel base today from the post office, well done Echigoya less than a week! Anyways it is a little thicker than the normal barrel base, I had to use 5 shims (0.1 each) less with the new base. Locks in tight to the barrel and fits very well with the DD barrel nut. The hole is snug to get the stock socom wiring and spades through but they do go. Overall barrel movement is much improved obviously the barel has a little give but the base is rock solid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TK4235 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Sad news.. I am SOPMOD-less now....I let her go today, however I know she's gone to a good airsofter..... So it's over to my SOCOM..... time to pimp out that bad bad girl now.... Question is, do I bank the money or accidently pick up a SCARL CQC? decision, decisons... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zaimon Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Well I picked up my barrel base today from the post office, well done Echigoya less than a week! Anyways it is a little thicker than the normal barrel base, I had to use 5 shims (0.1 each) less with the new base. Locks in tight to the barrel and fits very well with the DD barrel nut. The hole is snug to get the stock socom wiring and spades through but they do go. Overall barrel movement is much improved obviously the barel has a little give but the base is rock solid. ARS 360 degrees barrel base FTW. the horse shoe type is old fashion lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TK4235 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Overall barrel movement is much improved obviously the barel has a little give but the base is rock solid. Kenny, was there lots of barrel wobble with the stock barrel base then before the DD rail went on? Or does the weight of the DD Lite rail cause that much problems with the barrel base? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zaimon Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Sad news.. I am SOPMOD-less now....I let her go today, however I know she's gone to a good airsofter..... So it's over to my SOCOM..... time to pimp out that bad bad girl now.... Question is, do I bank the money or accidently pick up a SCARL CQC? decision, decisons... hold be patient. wait for the scar-h Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TK4235 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 hold be patient. wait for the scar-h Scar-h? Google time..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zaimon Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Scar-h? Google time..... here is the scar-h http://echigoya-guns.com/guns/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=432 release date December 28 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
weekenny Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 The barrel didnt wobble ao much as when you tried to move the barrel you could see the base flex, would probably have been ok but I didn't like it. One clash with a doorframe in CQB would have probably been the end of the base. The light rail only fixes to its own 'ring' that is held in place by the barrel nut, it places no load on the barrel or base, hence offers the barrel no support either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akiraspeedstar Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 (edited) Gah, to build a DMR upper would cost me almost as much as just buying a new gun, nevermind on that one haha. Edited December 23, 2011 by akiraspeedstar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TK4235 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 The barrel didnt wobble ao much as when you tried to move the barrel you could see the base flex, would probably have been ok but I didn't like it. One clash with a doorframe in CQB would have probably been the end of the base. The light rail only fixes to its own 'ring' that is held in place by the barrel nut, it places no load on the barrel or base, hence offers the barrel no support either. Ok, since I can't check now, is the SOCOM barrel held the same way as that of the SOPMOD? My sopmod barrel was uber rock solid with zero barrel movement and no wobble at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TK4235 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 here is the scar-h http://echigoya-guns.com/guns/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=432 release date December 28 Nooooooooooooooooooo, is it just me or does the H look "wrong".. The barrel is way too long IMHO.. I prefer the look of the CQC... Over to the SCAR thread... lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
weekenny Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Yes the fit the same way. Mine felt rock solid too. But once you see it in a rail that doesn't move you realise what play there is in it. I was surprised too by the amount the base gave. As it felt fine then I mounted the rail and when test fitting the battery I found the barrel could be moved. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akiraspeedstar Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 (edited) Nooooooooooooooooooo, is it just me or does the H look "wrong".. The barrel is way too long IMHO.. I prefer the look of the CQC... Over to the SCAR thread... lol Not sure if you know, but you can just screw off the end of the barrel and make it a 13" barrel Edited December 23, 2011 by akiraspeedstar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TK4235 Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) Guys, what after market stocks can I put on the SOCOM. The obvious stock issue with the SOPMOD is the battery...Can I put any AEG stock on the SOCOM then? The rubber butt end on the SOPMOD stock I though was pretty cool and also helped protect the gun when standing it on it's end... Edited December 24, 2011 by TK4235 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TK4235 Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 Not sure if you know, but you can just screw off the end of the barrel and make it a 13" barrel Akira, was not aware of that... it suddenly makes the proposition of owning one more attractive... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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