TheMightAdam Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 A friend of mine got an m16 a little while ago. First impressions were interesting. It doesnt really have the same feel as the RS, which was pretty evident while pulling back the charging handle for the first time. The body was pretty wobbly, so was the stock, plus the handguards. It was pretty cool that they incorporated the heatshields in but I think the need to be swapped for RS, to me they feel really flexible and thin. Shooting was not as I expected but then again Im in the RS mindset. The kick to me was hardly noticable, Ill have to play with it more. One cool feature is that it has the boing sound when firing, its nice that its inherant to the design, kindof like my STG. Accuracy was pretty good with a nice selector that clicks into place pretty nicely. The mags were a bit darker than USGI RS. They seem to be pretty reliable. Overall I think its a nice gun and Ill look at getting one but Ill wait a bit for reliability testing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Adam, tell your friend he can get rid of the upper/lower receiver wobble by wrapping a #7 o-ring around the front pivot lug on the upper receiver. That got rid of 100% of the wobble on mine and my friends G&Ps. The charging handle and everything else starts to feel better once it's broken in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davedawg123 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 (edited) How do you eliminate the handguard wobble? The halves securely lock with each other but rotates slightly about the barrel axis. Is it a matter of needing to replace the delta ring assembly or endcap, or is it just that the barrel lock needs tightening? Will RS handguard w/ heatshield and delta ring assembly fit? Will installing a standard KAC type RIS handguard (non-FF) yield the same type of wobble? Edited March 21, 2009 by davedawg123 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Are the mags that come with the G&P's standard WA mags or have G&P tweaked them a bit to make them reliable for green? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sadman Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Are the mags that come with the G&P's standard WA mags or have G&P tweaked them a bit to make them reliable for green? I was wondering that as well, maybe they put their seal kit in them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 They're the standard WA mag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sadman Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 They're the standard WA mag. Have you been using green gas/propane etc? Any leaks? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ThaFlash Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Green Gas, yes. Leaks, yes. Leaks are due to horrible seal design, but can be remedied. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slu Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Green Gas, yes. Leaks, yes. Leaks are due to horrible seal design, but can be remedied. Do the G&P replacement seals fix the problem? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartan452 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Mine has no leaks what so ever, but my bolt has been worn down and now it won't lock back =( Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kken Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 i could be wrong but i think daytonagun is making steel parts for the WA gbb engine? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slu Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 i could be wrong but i think daytonagun is making steel parts for the WA gbb engine? Lots of steel parts available from other guys as well. Example, RA-Tech. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nougabol Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) I finally got one to guys, but I 've had the same prob with the upper/lower receiver wobble, can somebody take a piccie of the O-ring solution on the front pivot pin? weel people who did that need something visual so I can get started, thanks guys Edited March 22, 2009 by nougabol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slu Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) I finally got one to guys, but I 've had the same prob with the upper/lower receiver wobble, can somebody take a piccie of the O-ring solution on the front pivot pin? weel people who did that need something visual so I can get started, thanks guys Google "AR15 oring fix" and click on the first link on the list. It has a good photo of what the fix is. It's extremely simple. Good luck. Edited March 22, 2009 by slu Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nougabol Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 thanks man will check it out asap Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sadman Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Google "AR15 oring fix" and click on the first link on the list. It has a good photo of what the fix is. It's extremely simple. Good luck. Thanks slu, I'll have to give that a shot on my RS too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davedawg123 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Are the following G&P WOC parts same as RS spec or AEG spec? - Upper receiver width (for adding rail systems like Troy, Samson, DD, etc) - Upper receiver threading (for adding barrel nut/ FF nut) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartan452 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 G&P makes both AEG and WA versions of their RIS, but the only difference I think are just the barrels. Some users have fitted URX rails from the AEG set onto the G&P GBBr So if the G&P RIS for AEG fits on the WA that means that the specs are whatever it is for the G&P RIS for AEG. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slu Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 (edited) G&P makes both AEG and WA versions of their RIS, but the only difference I think are just the barrels. Some users have fitted URX rails from the AEG set onto the G&P GBBr So if the G&P RIS for AEG fits on the WA that means that the specs are whatever it is for the G&P RIS for AEG. I'm somewhat sure that the G&P AEG thread is RS thread, since it's designed to fit their receivers. I can only attest to this indirectly: I have a King Arms body that I've fit both a G&P rail and an RS rail to. I can only assume that the G&P rail and the RS rail had the same thread on the barrel nut. I may be wrong, but that is my experience. Edited March 23, 2009 by slu Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 I'm somewhat sure that the G&P AEG thread is RS thread, since it's designed to fit their receivers. I can only attest to this indirectly: I have a King Arms body that I've fit both a G&P rail and an RS rail to. I can only assume that the G&P rail and the RS rail had the same thread on the barrel nut. I may be wrong, but that is my experience. I've had a different experience. I've tried to install RS LaRue rails, RS KAC Rails, RS Daniel Defense Rails and none of them were compatible with any of my G&P AEG receivers without rethreading the G&P upper receiver. That's what I've found anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the.jaguar Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 (edited) SO you guys are saying G&P WOC's upper is AEG spec? I'm about to get a kingarms Troy rail, but I wasn't brave enough to spend my money to find it out EDIT: Ohh just one more thing... has anyone thought about modding a Pmag or VN mag out from a WA mag? if you got any idea how to get started please share it. Edited March 23, 2009 by the.jaguar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slu Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 (edited) I've had a different experience. I've tried to install RS LaRue rails, RS KAC Rails, RS Daniel Defense Rails and none of them were compatible with any of my G&P AEG receivers without rethreading the G&P upper receiver. That's what I've found anyway. Hmm, well whenever I get one of these, I might as well get a rethreading die to go with it. Good to know, thanks for sharing. I know madbull makes a die, is that the one you use? Edited March 23, 2009 by slu Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Hmm, well whenever I get one of these, I might as well get a rethreading die to go with it. Good to know, thanks for sharing. I know madbull makes a die, is that the one you use? I bought mine direct from Brownells. It's made for RS receivers. Same result... perhaps a bit cheaper than the Madbull. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
junior Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 (edited) SO you guys are saying G&P WOC's upper is AEG spec? I'm about to get a kingarms Troy rail, but I wasn't brave enough to spend my money to find it out If you are getting a Troy rail you it doesn't matter what the threading is. The Rail clamps over the barrel nut so you don't have to use the KA nut. You can just remove the delta ring and use the G&P barrel nut. I installed one on my WA M4 and the only problem i had with it was I had to modify the anti-rotation lugs a little. I'm not sure about the KA version, but on a RS troy rail the lugs were a bit too tight to fit around the WA body. All it take is a little fitting. 10 min tops with a dremel tool. EDIT: Upper one is King arms, Lower one is RS. Edited March 23, 2009 by junior Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Victory Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) Are the following G&P WOC parts same as RS spec or AEG spec? - Upper receiver width (for adding rail systems like Troy, Samson, DD, etc) Same question, but specifically about the DD. The DD utilizes anti-rotation wings that wrap around the upper, that hold the rail system steady. If the receiver is RS spec, then clone DD rail systems will wobble. Thanks all. -Vic Edited March 25, 2009 by Victory Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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