Vercingetorix Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Have the SAS ever used the M14 in real world situations? I am on a SAS-esque team, and I want M14 goodness(more specifically the New G&P thingummy, but pics/ details of any M14 ever in use is fine), but I am being barred from doing so because I cannot argue that they have used them... If anyone can provide pictures and a convincing argument, I'd be greatly indebted to you. I've done some research of m own but it has been of no avail in solving tis vexing problem of mine. Thanks guys! Link to post Share on other sites
ianhaz Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I dont think they have mate (judging by misfits photos, would love to be proved wrong), other than in cod4 that is! I think the G3 was more the sas 7.62 of choice, there are a couple of older pics in misfits collection showing it in use, but nothing recent. Link to post Share on other sites
skyler8158 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Don't know about the M14 platform itself, but the new G&P M14 DMR would be a no go. All M14 DMRs are built in house at the USMC Precision Weapons Shop at Quantico Link to post Share on other sites
T3CH Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Never heard of them using it, but they do have a great deal of leeway on weapons. wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility, but nowadays they are more likely to use HK417's (few pics of them in use have been spotted here and there), but yeah G3 is probably the most common 7.62 in use by them just now (get a T3 RAS and DMR the hell out of it) Link to post Share on other sites
Vercingetorix Posted January 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Hmmm... Ok, but my team leader has not approved G3s, so if anyone can get me some pics(as I've looked through pages and pages on konstipation, etc looking for stuff like this) and hard info from a reputable source I may be able to convince him otherwise.... I'd do an HK417 gladly but there is no airsoft equivalent as yet or even on the drawing board far as I know..... Maybe a DMR G36? That can be done, but it costs a tad bit to much to do one properly IMO..... Link to post Share on other sites
Samm Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Hang on... You're on an "SAS-esque" team, you've been barred from using an M14 because they probably don't use them, yet you can't use a G3 because they definitely do/have used them? http://www.eliteukforces.info/special-air-.../weapons/g3.php Link to post Share on other sites
T3CH Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Hmmm... Ok, but my team leader has not approved G3s, so if anyone can get me some pics(as I've looked through pages and pages on konstipation, etc looking for stuff like this) and hard info from a reputable source I may be able to convince him otherwise.... I'd do an HK417 gladly but there is no airsoft equivalent as yet or even on the drawing board far as I know..... Maybe a DMR G36? That can be done, but it costs a tad bit to much to do one properly IMO..... Get your team leader to read immediate action its chock full of references to g3's and hk53's as well. If the word of an ex member of the regiments not good enough for him, tell him politely to get his head out of his *albartroth*. And I'm fairly sure a DMR G36 is an imaginary beast. And if such an animal exists then the KSK would be about the only people to use it. BTW, purely out of interest, what weapons has your team leader 'approved' for use? Link to post Share on other sites
Vercingetorix Posted January 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Get your team leader to read immediate action its chock full of references to g3's and hk53's as well. If the word of an ex member of the regiments not good enough for him, tell him politely to get his head out of his *albartroth*. And I'm fairly sure a DMR G36 is an imaginary beast. And if such an animal exists then the KSK would be about the only people to use it. BTW, purely out of interest, what weapons has your team leader 'approved' for use? Rifleman: M16 A2-A4 M4 and M4 Sopmod-CQB XM177 M15 SPR M249 The following are pending approval: MP5 any version SCAR L96 any version G36 any version CA25 PSG1 Not allowed: M14-M14 sopmod AUG ak47-ak74-SLR's G3's SL8 RPK P90 FAMAS TYPE 89 MP7 WW2 Guns UZI there is the list copied an pasted... He is actually out of action for the moment, he lost an eye due to a severe infection spawned by an injury he received in the British services I believe.... Our team isn't all that accurate, considering my primary is an SR-15 IWS, and we use 1601/2s and PLCE assault vests, not exactly something the SAS in the nineties would use.... Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Dunno much about Brit SAS, but NZSAS uses Accurised L1A1 SLRs as DMRs (though thats rare). I have heard from some guys G3s are used in the Brit SAS, particularly during and post Northern Ireland periods, but dunno if its in DMR configuration. I would imagine if it was required kit for the particular situation, for such a specialised unit, they would use anything they could get their hands on. As for webbing, I probably wouldn't nitpick, unless you ARE re-enactors. Its good enough having uniform gear. Its just a team building aspect. Just make sure the weapons are fitting for the right arena (i.e. NOT MP5K doing green role) because it actually affects performance of the team. TBH, you can look professional without having the right kit, just got to rough up the kit and build some grunt muscles (as opposed to Gym muscles). Link to post Share on other sites
T3CH Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Rifleman: M16 A2-A4 M4 and M4 Sopmod-CQB XM177 M15 SPR M249 The following are pending approval: MP5 any version SCAR L96 any version G36 any version CA25 PSG1 Not allowed: M14-M14 sopmod AUG ak47-ak74-SLR's G3's SL8 RPK P90 FAMAS TYPE 89 MP7 WW2 Guns UZI there is the list copied an pasted... He is actually out of action for the moment, he lost an eye due to a severe infection spawned by an injury he received in the British services I believe.... Our team isn't all that accurate, considering my primary is an SR-15 IWS, and we use 1601/2s and PLCE assault vests, not exactly something the SAS in the nineties would use.... looking at the list , m16a1, m16/203 yes any later variants are unlikely m4's not a chance as they use diemaco carbines (the actual variant number evades me just now c4 or c6 iirc, tho tbh the diemaco carbine is EXTREMELY similar to an M4 with only a different barrel profile to differentiate it externally) xm117 probably in the past, but only in a close protection/CQB covert carry role spr nope thats US Navy/spec ops specific 249, yup, and the gpmg, I've heard of but not seen pictures of m60's being used SCAR, NO mp5k, mp5a/3/4 mp5sd5/6 DEFINITELY (tho sd's and k's are mission specific) L96 DEFINITELY G36, unlikely but possible Ca25/SR25, not very likely but not impossible PSG1, unlikely M14-M14 sopmod, sopmod no, m14 very unlikely AUG, NO ak47-ak74-SLR's, ak's very occasionally are used G3's, DEFINITELY used SL8, NO RPK, not likely P90, NO FAMAS, NO TYPE 89, NO MP7, NO WW2 Guns, Not unless your doing reenactment UZI, Never heard of it being used but it's possible it was used before the MP5 was introduced. Don't understand why he won't allow G3's but will allow weapons that the SAS just DONT use? Mind you if they REALLY wanted to and could justify it within the mission they could use ANY of them. Link to post Share on other sites
R.A.T.M._JLD Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 looking at the list , m16a1, m16/203 yes any later variants are unlikely m4's not a chance as they use diemaco carbines (the actual variant number evades me just now c4 or c6 iirc, tho tbh the diemaco carbine is EXTREMELY similar to an M4 with only a different barrel profile to differentiate it externally) That would be the C8 SFW (Brits call it the L119A1). Link to post Share on other sites
aznsk8s87 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 What's wrong with the G3 anyway? It's a beast of a gun. Link to post Share on other sites
Pulng Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 It was once used by the German army?? Theres nothing wrong with them though! Link to post Share on other sites
Doughguy Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 the m14 wasnt used at all with the geezers.. g3´s have been used, as well as their derivates. however it seems theyre getting phased out by 417er´s g36 are supposedly in the armoury but not being used actively.. if youd come from that direction, you might sport a f2000 as they got these aswell in their armories... Link to post Share on other sites
Blackweell! Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Excuse my French, but your 'leader' sounds like an absolute *albatross*... Here's a list of all the weapons the SAS use, and it's true, because it's on a website Link to post Share on other sites
Staffy Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 M14 is definitely a no-no for a SAS reenacting team. G3 its ok, especially G3A4K version (collapsible stock and shortened barrell compared to standard A4 - L100A1 Uk MoD denomination). The G3A4K it has been the main "green option" (uncover operations with men dressed in standard army camo uniforms) weapon, during the NI campaign. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I'd like to point out that the SAS are trialing the G36K for active use - especially in the sandbox. Also, your leader sounds like an idiot. Link to post Share on other sites
Staffy Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Excuse my French, but your 'leader' sounds like an absolute *albatross*... This sounds right in my italian too... Link to post Share on other sites
Shriven Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 He's pretty much given you a list of what they DON'T use. Favourites appear to be: G3, HK53, MP5, L119A1, Some dinky wee shotgun I don't know the name of, GPMG ( videos from that prison break in Afghanistan), but all modern pics, it's all about the L119A1 and P226/8 ( not sure) Link to post Share on other sites
Delfi Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 MP5 - under consideration Perhaps the most famous anti-terrorist SAS action was the Iranian Embassy Siege and the weapon of choice was ... No WW2 guns ... like the Browning Hi-power or the 1911? The list of badness goes on. D Link to post Share on other sites
Vercingetorix Posted January 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I know... He is a cool guy, but I think i need to talk to him and convince him otherwise..... Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 THe thing with the SAS is nobody know's what they use for definate. But have to agree with what most people have said here. Would not be suprised to learn they have MP7's either, bound to have tried em. You can also ad the MAC10 to the list, that should wind your boss up! The Team used em prior to the Munich Olympics Disaster, after which they adopted the MP5. The MACS's where however still used a car guns in NI. They used to keep them in the footwell when out on patrol in civies in unmarked cars, the idea being if they where spotted they could pull out the MAC and lay down alot of fire to cover their withdrawl. Pistol wise you can also add the Browning Hi Power, Sig 226/228/229 and probably the Walther PPK ( again used to be used for covert work). Link to post Share on other sites
The General Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I thought the SAS had used the AUG in training with the NZ SAS and had bought several of the guns for trials a few years ago. Might be a rumour though. Don't know if that is enough though? I would have thought it would have been enough to allow the use of them, same with the AK series, they are deffo used from time to time. Link to post Share on other sites
Troubadour Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I know... He is a cool guy, but I think i need to talk to him and convince him otherwise..... You need to tell him he is an idiot. He is trying to use weapons they have never used and say the ones they use aren't allowed. A G36, but not a G3 haha. XM177? Is this effin vietnam? Listen... L119A1 Sig Sauer p226 Thats all you're really going to see. With the rare HK417 here and there ,but good luck finding the airsoft version. Its airsoft though, so honestly just do what you want. Why spend money on something you don't want and not buy what you want. Get the m14 and if he tells you you can't tell him to buy you a gun then. Link to post Share on other sites
WYATT666 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 to be honest the SAS use whatever they like example under cover/covert operations they would use the weapons of the population be it a ak or uzi also they are trained to use anything to hand so apart from some rifles if you think about it logically you could get away with most Link to post Share on other sites
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