Danke Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Well if it's going this way then just show up in a leisure suit with a pager. "I'm SAS and so's my wife" a la life of Brian. Link to post Share on other sites
Doughguy Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Ok so, im throwing away my l119A1 infavor for a lousy rotted ak74, with tactical shovel buttstock, as the lads "adapt" to local´s weaponary. G36C an m14.. wanna do CoD Reenactment? Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Try this list then: MP5 (all variants). MP7 SIG P226/8/9 Browning HP Simple basic and no arguments, if you want a rifle then a C7 or C8 (or look alike) and maybe a G36C or K. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
evansy Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 to be honest the SAS use whatever they like example under cover/covert operations they would use the weapons of the population be it a ak or uzi also they are trained to use anything to hand so apart from some rifles if you think about it logically you could get away with most +1 Basically as long as its doesnt scream American SF (gucci'd to *fruitcage* with all the bells and whistles) then I'd say go for it for an SASish loadout. The thing I'd keep in mind when choosing an SAS weapon is "does it work, do I need it, will it keep working" if you answer no to any of these then dont use it, they probably wouldnt. Ok so, im throwing away my l119A1 infavor for a lousy rotted ak74, with tactical shovel buttstock, as the lads "adapt" to local´s weaponary. G36C an m14.. wanna do CoD Reenactment? Well you'd take an AK47 over an SFW if you were going out on a long patrol in A'stan where you need to be able to blend in and have a good local supply of ammo. If you were going on a mission and the SFW fitted the bill of what you needed from the weapon then you'd take that and all the ammo you'd need. Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Its pretty obvious that a large variety of stuff is used, and that there is probably stuff they use that you won't hear about, I dunno. Obviously the team has an emphasis on realism or semi realism, so I dunno if stuff like an ak which probaby has seen use would be appropriate if you were do say, a loadout based on some photos of them in iraq/afghanistan where they seem to be almost always using sfw's. Likewise if you were gonna be doing a loadout based on killhouse stuff, then maybe an sfw wouldn't be appropriate, and if you were doing a woodland stuff then maybe a mp5 wouldn't be appropriate. Link to post Share on other sites
Vercingetorix Posted January 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I decided I'll just buy the M14, use it for gasmes I won;t be attending ont he team and gradually convince them to let me use it with the team... *fruitcage* convention... Its my money and I'll do what I want with it, as you guys said, it is airsoft after all.... Plus everyone knows the m14 has the most accurate/ best hop-up, bar none...... I want a DMR, and this thing has everything I need.... But we should keep this topic going methinks, Its very interesting to learn from guys with more amassed knowledge than me, and we can turn it into a broad SAS topics if a mod obliges(as currently there is only an A-stan one) Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 LOL, yup it is airsoft. You just have to ask yourself though: Is your team playing for looks, or is it actually playing the game? If your team truly play for the game, then teamwork is a part of that, as an "airsoft" leader he/she shouldn't care what weapons your guys carry so long as it doesn't compromise the security and effectiveness of the team. But teamwork is also maintaining similar uniforms and gear, more importantly the mindset to which you as a team approach the game. But that aside, have fun with your M14 Link to post Share on other sites
WYATT666 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Ok so, im throwing away my l119A1 infavor for a lousy rotted ak74, with tactical shovel buttstock, as the lads "adapt" to local´s weaponary. well if this was real and you wanted to survive then yeah you bloody would tbh the most iconic gun the SAS uses is the MP5 but so is the M16 and depends what era you look at but i have seen pics of the SAS using SLR's, silenced sterlings and some other fun guns. Link to post Share on other sites
Joshua_Rose Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 ....ur team isn't all that accurate, considering my primary is an SR-15 IWS, and we use 1601/2s and PLCE assault vests, not exactly something the SAS in the nineties would use.... Given you aren't trying to be too accurate (fair play, this is only airsoft), I'd say the list isn't too bad, in the same way WW2 airsofters have "counts as", you should be OK with most M16/M4 variants to be fair. I would modify the list to: Approved: M16 any M4 any MP5 any M249 any L96 any G3 any L85 At a push (some are more of a push than others): ak47 / akM / ak74 SCAR G36 any CA25 PSG1 XM177 Mk 12 SPR SL8 RPK MP7 UZI Not allowed: M14 any AUG P90 FAMAS TYPE 89 WW2 Guns etc... Pistols: Who gives a cr*p, you aren't trying to be accurate, and you won't see it in a holster anyway. Just my 2c. Link to post Share on other sites
alexallan Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Standard modern day issue: SFW L119A1 / Diemaco, Para Minimi, GPMG, L96, L85 A2, and. . . Long Range Rifle L115A3 -- Calibre: 8.59mm -- Weight: 6.8kg -- Length: 1300mm -- Muzzle velocity: 936m/s -- Feed: 5-round box -- Effective range: 1100m plus Specialist roles: MP5s, sometimes Solid stocks (just incase they need to smack someone in the face with it) sometimes the collapseable if rappelling is involved and for more enclosed fighting and vehicle roles. Rarely suppressed as the noise is part of the psycology used to scare the enemy. G3s/hk rifles. From History: WW2, Thompson machine guns, Vickers, Browning .50, lee enfield .308, Bren, Sten, Lanchester Mk1 (Kind of an early sterling), - All sorts... Falklands M16A1/203, XM177 (though they called it the colt commando or carbine) L1A1, Sterlings There have been occasions where all sorts of weapons are used, MAC10/9, Uzis heck, whatever. I'm sure like a previous post said, they must have 'Tried them' all. From an anonymous source (not SF, just a friend in the Regs) There has been an occasion where the SAS were outranged in a firefight as the Diemacos were not proving effective. A number of them returned to base to rearm with L85 A2s as they are more accurate at range due to the longer barrel. Thats my input. Not complete, but I know what is there is 100% Ooo AKs to! AKM (AK Modified) Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Jon Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Ooo AKs to! AKM (AK Modified) modernised Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Why no P90's? They have been used in joint ventures with the KCT from what i have heard. If your going to take a G36 or an AK then surely a P90 should be fine. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
WYATT666 Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Why no P90's? because the SAS know a comdey gun when they see it lol but its a weapon that i dont think they would use as the mags are awkward and the rounds are weird/specialist size compared to a 9mm MP5 where ammo can be found in great supply Link to post Share on other sites
bladerunner Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 dont no how accurate this info is. its from the SAS encyclopedia http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sas-Encyclopedia/d...323&sr=11-1 rifles and assault rifles AK-47 (trained to use) AK-74 (trained to use) AKM (trained to use) type 56 (trained to use) type68 (trained to use) Colt Commando FN Fal H&K G3 H&K G8 H&K G41 Lee-Enfield M1 Carbine M16a1 M16a2 Ruger Mini M14 (AC-556 model used by SAS) SA-80 SLR Steyr Aug (says used it northern ireland) C7 C8 SFW (L119A1) C8 CQB (L119A1 Carbine) Sub Machine Guns H&K 53 H&K MP5(k) Ingram Model 10 Owen Sten Gun Sterling Thompson UZI Handguns Browning High Power Colt M1911 Sig-Sauer P226 Sig-Sauer P228 Webley i also have sniper rifles, shotguns and machine guns if anyone is interested edited thanks staffy Link to post Share on other sites
Staffy Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 dont no how accurate this info is. its from the SAS encyclopedia http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sas-Encyclopedia/d...323&sr=11-1 rifles and assault rifles AK-47 (trained to use) AK-74 (trained to use) AKM (trained to use) type 56 (trained to use) type68 (trained to use) Colt Commando FN Fal H&K G3 H&K G8 H&K G41 Lee-Enfield M1 Carbine M16a1 M16a2 Ruger Mini M14 (AC-556 model used by SAS) SA-80 SLR Steyr Aug (says used it northern ireland) Sub Machine Guns H&K 53 H&K MP5(k) Ingram Model 10 Owen Sten Gun Sterling Thompson UZI Handguns Browning High Power Colt M1911 Sig-Sauer P226 Sig-Sauer P228 Webley i also have sniper rifles, shotguns and machine guns if anyone is interested That list should be updated with the Colt Canada (ex Diemaco) weapons: C7 C8 SFW (L119A1) C8 CQB (L119A1 Carbine) Link to post Share on other sites
alexallan Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Mr. Jon modernised wink.gif From world.guns.ru "By the 1959 the AK was modified again, this time more extensively, and was consequently adopted (after trials) as the AKM (Avtomat Kalashnikova Modernizirovannyj - Kalashnikov Automatic rifle, Modified)". This is my source of info. If it is wrong, I am wrong. Apologies. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Though the P90 offers armour piercing rounds, 50 of them, in a gun only 500mm long. Strange why they wouldn't use them. Also i have seen from an old book that may Dad recieved from the Air force that even the most basic of soldiers on joint ops with other countries will be trained to use there weapons, even with pictures of a regular infantryman being shown how to use a G36K, a FAMAS and an AK74M, so it makes sense to not rule out other guns than the standard ones. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
Doughguy Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Well you'd take an AK47 over an SFW if you were going out on a long patrol in A'stan where you need to be able to blend in and have a good local supply of ammo. If you were going on a mission and the SFW fitted the bill of what you needed from the weapon then you'd take that and all the ammo you'd need. interesting that the pics showing the SBS in Naka Valley depicted them all with SFW´s and yea they were on quite a long patrol.... also the SRR guys who were captured doing "undercover stuff" had 10 inch sfw´s with them.. im not saying its not happening.. but using the weapons of your opponents has some drawbacks... eg: friendly units who cant see you might take you as an enemy and engage at you, as an AK has quite a distinctive sound. a ) theres not always an enemy depot available which they could enter and resupply. c) a friendly ressuply most propably does not carry any kind of specific ammo... (woot? nato-stanag- only?? dude i need ammo for my AK!!) d) ammo/weapons, used by the enemy might be old, rusty and faulty or even worse booby trapped. so you dont want your boomstick take off your arms or get faulty in the middle of an firefight, because some rounds didnt went of or got stuck in the barrel... anyway... apprently the SAS use what they want.. each individually.. Link to post Share on other sites
askeytheman Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 apprently the SAS use what they want.. each individually.. And it makes sense for all the members of the fireteam to have the same magazine in their weapon systems. That way, all the ammo carried fits in all the guys guns - aiding any ammo issues. Wouldn't make sense if one guy had a G3, one an AK, two with MP5s and another with a P90. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Though the P90 offers armour piercing rounds, 50 of them, in a gun only 500mm long. Strange why they wouldn't use them. Dubious stopping power, a nasty tendancy for the magazines to empty themselves violently if dropped, expensive and uncommon ammunition and awkwardly sized magazines which do not lend themselves to easy storage or access. Link to post Share on other sites
Doughguy Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 anyway... apprently the SAS use what they want.. each individually.. And it makes sense for all the members of the fireteam to have the same magazine in their weapon systems. That way, all the ammo carried fits in all the guys guns - aiding any ammo issues. Wouldn't make sense if one guy had a G3, one an AK, two with MP5s and another with a P90. *sarcasm mode* was on matey, just in case. Link to post Share on other sites
Frakk2k Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 I guess thats why MP7 is such a winner. Does'nt take much space, has 4,6 × 30 mm caliber, and some good armor penetration. Mags are pretty old school design, so I am guessing they would fit in MP5 pockets? Link to post Share on other sites
T3CH Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Good armour penetration but next to ZERO stopping power, not really what you want in a CQB weapon, you want to put your opponents down hard. Link to post Share on other sites
Danke Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 It's a little known fact but every SAS trooper is issued a Gun-Boy who carries a veritable quiver of weapons at hand and passes them up on request. "Hand up the MP5 Gun-Boy" they'd say, or "This looks like a .50 shot what ho Gun-Boy". Of course in airsoft no one ever wants to play the role of Gun-Boy, and since the impressions are often made using a single photo of a solider to decide on the kit they only ever have one or two weapons in hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Misfit Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Mr. Jon From world.guns.ru "By the 1959 the AK was modified again, this time more extensively, and was consequently adopted (after trials) as the AKM (Avtomat Kalashnikova Modernizirovannyj - Kalashnikov Automatic rifle, Modified)". This is my source of info. If it is wrong, I am wrong. Apologies. Avtomat Kalashnikova Modernizirovannyj translates as Automatic Rifle Kalashnikov Modernized. Link to post Share on other sites
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