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i can see an application for real steel. when you want to carry a concealed firearm but dont want to let anybody know its a gun if they accidentally see it.

 

the idea of it being concealed is that it cant be seen ;)

you cant exactly hide this thing, so you'd be wandering round with what appears to be a very bulky torch with a very small lens and bulb, possibly indoors or in broad daylight. i think that looks a bit more conspicuous than a subcompact in a small of back holster hidden by a coat/jacket.

besides, if this thing is actually publicised then surely people will know that this odd and impractical looking torch about the width of a glock and with a 9mm hole in the front (go figure) is in fact a 9mm folding carbine thingy.

 

i'd much rather have something small, easy to effectively hide and draw than carry a rather unconvincing 'torch' that is slower to ready (should you need to use it) around indoors or in broad daylight.

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Typical airsoft here.

 

Everyone "There are too many M4s etc on the market, i wish manufacturers would make something new for once"

 

*Manufacturer showcases a new and rather unique product for airsoft*

 

Everyone "BAAAAAAWWWW i don't see the point, its ugly etc"

 

And the cycle continues ;)

 

 

Anyway, i rather like the look of it, i'd certainly be tempted (Quality dependant) to buy one and skirmish with it :D

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the idea of it being concealed is that it cant be seen ;)

you cant exactly hide this thing, so you'd be wandering round with what appears to be a very bulky torch with a very small lens and bulb, possibly indoors or in broad daylight. i think that looks a bit more conspicuous than a subcompact in a small of back holster hidden by a coat/jacket.

besides, if this thing is actually publicised then surely people will know that this odd and impractical looking torch about the width of a glock and with a 9mm hole in the front (go figure) is in fact a 9mm folding carbine thingy.

 

i'd much rather have something small, easy to effectively hide and draw than carry a rather unconvincing 'torch' that is slower to ready (should you need to use it) around indoors or in broad daylight.

 

I'll point out that the top rail and torch are removable, and I don't think the muzzle is visible when it's folded, the stock covers it up. Besides, why all the discussion about civilians carrying it? At least in the US, even though firearms are legal, this would be classified as a short barrel rifle, and would be regulated by that.

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While Magpul USA has said they don't plan on putting it into production, Magpul PTS has been given the go ahead and is in preproduction on getting these made for airsoft. The Magpul PTS catalog even has it listed.

 

Think you could provide a link to the FMG-9 conversion kit in the Magpul PTS catalog? I looked through every category of the catalog and couldn't seem to find it.

 

Anyhoo, if it does come out made by Magpul PTS I'll buy one the moment they're released. If it's an ACM conversion that comes out under the radar (ala' A&K Masada) I might have to think about it for a bit but I'll still probably buy one.

 

I love unique compact little SMGs (my love for the MP7 knows no bounds LOL) and this one certainly is both incredibly cool and unique! I just hope the airsoft version of the kit allows for the use of a Glock 18C rather than just a Glock 17, as this little puppy deserves full auto capability.

 

Even if it's semi only I'll still buy one though. Perfect for when I'm taking a walk through the woods and all of a sudden a skirmish breaks out around me and things get nasty. Get down to business! :D

 

 

Edit: On a side note, even more so than the FMG-9 conversion kit, an airsoft PDR is seriously (seriously) needed. I'd buy one faster than you can snap your fingers and say "Sold!" ^_^

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oh really?

and where is the selector then?

 

I don't know, but watch the youtube video, he's pretty specific that there's room for the necessary part to convert it for full-auto. Who knows, maybe it would be full-auto only, maybe they'll put a selector on the pistol grip, but they have said that they can make a fully automatic version.

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I'll point out that the top rail and torch are removable, and I don't think the muzzle is visible when it's folded, the stock covers it up. Besides, why all the discussion about civilians carrying it? At least in the US, even though firearms are legal, this would be classified as a short barrel rifle, and would be regulated by that.

 

i can see that the torch part is removable, but then you're left with a random box that is even more difficult to conceal and looks more conspicuous.

i can see what you mean about the muzzle now, my bad.

and i was referring to civvies carrying them as in magpul's shotshow '08 demonstration they certainly seemed to be implying it was designed for personal defense.

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Yes, I suppose civis in the US could carry one for personal defense (the real steel that is) but they'd still need a SBR or AOW permit (can't remember which would apply to the FMG-9) and there are not many people who would go through the trouble/time/money it would take to get one of those permits.

And if they had one with an auto sear installed, well, you can pretty much forget about CC with it unless they had a reaaaally darn good reason. The US Govt may permit CC of a SBR or AOW with the right permits, but CC of a Class III firearm is generally quite frowned upon.

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plague, the key word would be "accidentally". of you had a compact in the small of your back there's a chance someone could see it if you were to say, reach up for something on the subway or something. also, carrying it folded wouldn't be any more suspicious than carrying a graphing calculator or large accessory case. i know because i'm a gadget nerd and carried a large calculator and some other gado7of63ohy8gets during school. the thing would not be publicized because weapon manufacturers (in the US) aren't allowed to advertise on TV or any other media other than weapon magazines and the internet(and you don't see a lot of weapon adverts on the internet). also, if a anti weapon nut were to be fully aware of the gun, he/she still wouldn't be able to fully figure out that this brick in my pocket wasn't a game console or calculator or any other large gadget.

 

it wouldn't be an AOW because it has a stock. if it was a folding pistol, then it would be an AOW. its along the same lines as having to ge new permits for putting a stock on a glock. it will become a short barreled rifle.

now, because its a short barreled rifle, only people who know what their doing would have one because of what you have to do to get the permits.

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the only pocket you *might* be able to fit that in is a cargo pocket on a pair of combats, and even then it wont be very secure, comfortable (with that weight swinging about on the side of your leg) or quick to draw should you need it. as far as keeping CC firearms concealed goes, surely you should make every effort to prevent it being noticed. if you're wearing a jacket that only goes down to your waist, a SOB holster isnt appropriate.

while i grant you it's a neat idea, i cant really see any practical applications that couldnt be achieved with a well concealed CC pistol. i suppose there's might be a few cases where it's the best option for law enforcement when they need a concealable, select fire carbine. but thats about it, and i cant really think of why an ordinary concealed firearm wouldnt suffice in most cases.

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I agree with you for the most part Plague. I think in real steel form the FMG-9 doesn't offer much in the way of advantages for the average civilian user over a regular handgun for concealed carry. Where I see the real market for this gun being (in real steel form) is for contractors and bodyguards. People who work in a high threat environment on a regular basis with the need for a compact and rapidly deployable weapon system and due to the nature of their job could obtain a Class III license and the necessary paperwork to carry a auto sear equipped FMG-9 in public.

 

I could see the FMG-9 with an auto sear being the perfect tool for a bodyguard who is often escorting their clientele around in public places, getting in and out of vehicles, and doing other such activities where it would be important to remain discrete and yet still be able to put a good amount of lead down range at a moment's notice should a threat arise.

 

 

So yeah... in real steel form, I'll agree that the FMG-9 wouldn't offer much of an advantage over a pistol for concealed carry in the hands of your average civilian (aside from looking ridiculously cool) but equip it with an auto sear and put it in the hands of a bodyguard or contractor and I think it's golden :D

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I agree with you for the most part Plague. I think in real steel form the FMG-9 doesn't offer much in the way of advantages for the average civilian user over a regular handgun for concealed carry. Where I see the real market for this gun being (in real steel form) is for contractors and bodyguards. People who work in a high threat environment on a regular basis with the need for a compact and rapidly deployable weapon system and due to the nature of their job could obtain a Class III license and the necessary paperwork to carry a auto sear equipped FMG-9 in public.

 

I could see the FMG-9 with an auto sear being the perfect tool for a bodyguard who is often escorting their clientele around in public places, getting in and out of vehicles, and doing other such activities where it would be important to remain discrete and yet still be able to put a good amount of lead down range at a moment's notice should a threat arise.

 

 

So yeah... in real steel form, I'll agree that the FMG-9 wouldn't offer much of an advantage over a pistol for concealed carry in the hands of your average civilian (aside from looking ridiculously cool) but equip it with an auto sear and put it in the hands of a bodyguard or contractor and I think it's golden :D

 

 

A "individual" can not own a post 86 automatic weapon. They are basically only sold to dealers with a Demo letter from a agency, or to a agency/business(if they have managed to meet certain requirements like Blackwater).

 

 

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Those of you who don't see the value of this design, I suggest you head to the range with your pistol and shoot side-by-side with someone who has a carbine...you will figure it out pretty quick.

 

Generally, a shoulder-fired weapon is going to be more accurate than a pistol.

 

I think this is a great little add-on for a handgun, and if they made a real-steel version, I would buy one and carry it. The permit is really just a matter of being willing to spend the money.

 

I'm really looking forward to the Airsoft version, just for fun.

 

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A "individual" can not own a post 86 automatic weapon. They are basically only sold to dealers with a Demo letter from a agency, or to a agency/business(if they have managed to meet certain requirements like Blackwater).

 

The auto sear that you would put in the glock is manufactured pre 86, so you can put one in.

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The auto sear that you would put in the glock is manufactured pre 86, so you can put one in.

 

 

To this day I've NEVER seen a auto sear for a glock for sale. I've never heard of a Glock 18 forsale on any of the auction sights. According to the web the 18 was made till the later half 5/86, so I seriously doubt there are any of those sears that could be owned by a normal person.

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I might get this just in case something happens to my primary; cause you can have a glock as a sidearm normally, but if something happens to your AEG, you can drop your glock into one of these, and a sure its not as acurate or powerful as a AEG, but it gives you something more than just a pistol to run around and try to skirmish with.

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I'm really looking forward to the Airsoft version, just for fun.

 

+1 QFTFT

 

people seem to be forgetting that airsoft is suppose to be about FUN, both here on the intranets and out in the field. i am really seeing a deep nosedive into too much seriousness and not enough lightheartedness.

 

btw erik, give a big shout out to arch angel and the rest of you MAA boys. we have been taking good care of caleb while he's stationed here near DC!

 

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I might get this just in case something happens to my primary; cause you can have a glock as a sidearm normally, but if something happens to your AEG, you can drop your glock into one of these, and a sure its not as acurate or powerful as a AEG, but it gives you something more than just a pistol to run around and try to skirmish with.

 

 

I don't think you can drop a glock in there just like that. Have you seen the grip with the mag in it folding back when it's closed? Either it has a modified lower or the whole mechanism is completly new and just has parts of the glock.

 

I'd buy one for sure if it will ever be released in germany.

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I don't think you can drop a glock in there just like that. Have you seen the grip with the mag in it folding back when it's closed? Either it has a modified lower or the whole mechanism is completly new and just has parts of the glock.

 

I'd buy one for sure if it will ever be released in germany.

Ummm ... first off, the post you're replying to is almost a year old. Secondly, the post you're replying to is in regards to the unlicensed and inaccurate conversion kit that did indeed use a regular Glock that just dropped into the kit. Obviously it's different than the official PTS conversion kit that has a modified lower included. :rolleyes:

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