uscmCorps Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 It could just be dirt. You might wanna give them a cleaning (image tube too). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Billy Bob the Sniper Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 That would be awesome, but uhm how do I clean the image tube? I really dont want to open them unless its like stupid simple. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nah those are blemishes on the tube. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Billy Bob the Sniper Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 No there not There is only one left and it is a blemish. I cleaned all the others off. Its a TINY spec in the center of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Does this count? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reincarnation... Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Does this count? http://lawndartdesign.com/guns/15_02.jpg Awesome, must of cost a rather large pretty penny. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 No in fact it did not, it's around 1K, but not 6K like the asian sellers were trying to let them sell for. Oh and mine's legal, there's aren't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChewbacaChunx Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 where do you get all this great stuff titleist, jesus man youll probably have a PEQ16 in no time Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 where do you get all this great stuff titleist, jesus man youll probably have a PEQ16 in no time Trade secrets, my son, trade secrets... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reincarnation... Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 No in fact it did not, it's around 1K, but not 6K like the asian sellers were trying to let them sell for. Oh and mine's legal, there's aren't. Not too bad for a PEQ15. Oh one day I will figure out your secret Titleist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Agent47 Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 I WANT TRADE SECRETS!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mightyjebus Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 PVS 7 (Fake) PVS 14 (Fake) ELF Gen 1 Viper Gen 1 Bushnell Gen 1 Supervision Gen 3/4 The Supervision ###### all over the rest for picture quality. I've used Kite, IWS, PVS 14, PVS 7 and a load more Gen 1,2 and 3 and nothing comes close to the picture clarity of the supervision HOWEVER it's not really much use as a helmet mounted NVG. It's better suited as a observation scope and it needs a seperate IR source. For airsofting I would recommend the Bushnell or Cobra merlin which has good clarity at the ranges used in airsoft. If only I could get a Mich mount for mine I would be a happy man! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 The Supervision ###### all over the rest for picture quality. I've used Kite, IWS, PVS 14, PVS 7 and a load more Gen 1,2 and 3 and nothing comes close to the picture clarity of the supervision HOWEVER it's not really much use as a helmet mounted NVG. It's better suited as a observation scope and it needs a seperate IR source. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but if it requires a separate IR emitter, it's not Gen3. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mightyjebus Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 (edited) actually it's not a gen 1 2 3 or 4. it uses ccd technology similar to a video camera's night mode. Classing it as a Gen would be wrong as it doesn't use a tube which is where the Gen status comes from. It's sometimes called a Gen3/4 simply because of the picture quality. I will post up some pictures through it so that you can see how good the quality is. Here's a couple of quick pictures with me holding a camera at the rear of a Gen 1 and the supervision. I will sort out some better pictures when it gets dark. Edited September 3, 2009 by mightyjebus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 Having tried one of these myself, gonna completely disagree on quality vs a PVS, not in a million years do these outpace a PVS: http://www.ar15.com/content/products/night...cs/supervision/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 I had at one time considered the Supervision but after reading that article on the pros and cons of it I decided to save up and go with the 7Bravos and later the 14s. I'd use the Supervision, but I'd go with Gen3 PVS units if I had the choice. But the Supervision's price is extremely competitive to say the least. They'd probably sell more of them if they were smaller units and capable of helmet mounting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Carbine Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Besides, any NVG that requires an IR illuminator will always be inferior to a passive system since anyone with, say, a PVS-14, will see the user with the IR illuminator coming from a mile away. Nonetheless, using CCD is a good idea for night vision, but I think it needs alot more work to be useful for anything but leisure activies like bird watching Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 I need this to go with my real PEQ-15 http://www.rsov.com/index.php?target=produ...product_id=3881 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reincarnation... Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 I need this to go with my real PEQ-15 http://www.rsov.com/index.php?target=produ...product_id=3881 Wow. That is all I can say about that. WTF. Now if you can run a cold keg inside with a pigtail tap, I'm down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Now if you can run a cold keg inside with a pigtail tap, I'm down. That sounds like a challenge I'm willing to accept. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jin15 Posted September 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Since there have been lots of questions in this thread about "How does Gen 1 compare to Gen 2 or 3?" I dug around and found a couple interesting picture comparisons that I thought this might be helpful to give people on a budget an idea of what to expect from Gen 1. This first picture compares Gen 1, Gen 1 with an IR illuminator, and Gen 2 under various lighting conditions. It was made by cj7hawk who frequents the NV sections of Arfcom, Airgunbbs.com, and nightvisionforums.com. This next picture compares, under the same lighting conditions, a Gen 1 device without the aid of an IR illuminator, a Gen 1 Cascade device, and a Gen 2 device. For those unfamiliar with "Gen 1 Cascade" it is a device that uses three Gen 1 tubes stacked back to back inside the housing to give greatly superior gain compared to a single tube Gen 1 device (at the expense of size and weight). Examples of Gen 1 Cascade devices would be the Russian NSPU (1PN34) scope, the Russian 1PN58 scope, and the US PVS-2 scope. This picture was once again made by cj7hawk. So there you go! Hopefully this will give some of you guys who might be considering picking up a quality Gen 1 device (Dipol / Night Optics USA, Yukon, or military grade Cascade) some idea of how it might compare to the more expensive Gen 2 devices Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shmook Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Jin, thats great stuff, thanks for sharing. never seen a comparison like that before Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MinisterofDeath Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Gen 2 is excellent. D-300s are definitely the way to go if you're on a budget. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zzzujo Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 (edited) skip it sry Edited September 24, 2009 by Eleven Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jin15 Posted September 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Finally! After years of working with Gen. 1 I've got a D-300 on the way, should be here next week Next step, EOTech 551 & PVS-14 weapon mount like so... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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