Frontiers Posted April 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Although cosmetics are nice, I feel this is yet another Armalite in their inventory. Until proven otherwise with a detailed review, I'll be holding off from Dboys because of past experiences I've had with their internals. JG + A&K seem to be the top competitors, although I do like the bolt catch function. We'll see. JG best? joke of the day, have you even seen the last 5 releases what DBoys have released? M16A4, HK416....etc. Link to post Share on other sites
fiddlesticks4220 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 This wont be the same its going to be like their H&K 416. Witch is the sickest M4 externally you can buy for the price. Hands Down! Link to post Share on other sites
Unit 318 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Yup, at $16 a piece shipped ... that's a pretty incredible price. Sarcasm or... It's hard to tell Link to post Share on other sites
thartwig Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Am I the only one that is thinking the KAC PDW might also be one of the guns listed for the ECHO 1 mystery guns? i thought the same thing when i saw it, but after a second look, i dont think so. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Sarcasm or... It's hard to tell No sarcasm at all. For decent Mid-caps that work consistently, $16 is very reasonable IMHO. How many midcaps can you list that cost that much and work consistently? Link to post Share on other sites
Hammerfall Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 JG best? joke of the day, have you even seen the last 5 releases what DBoys have released? M16A4, HK416....etc. I think he was referring to reliability and questions of the internals durability. DBoys have definitely upped their game with respects to their ever expanding and diverse product range (of clones! ) and a vast improvement in external quality - but they're still not 'great' internally. THAT said, my friend has a DBoys CQB-R and it is the only gun that hasn't had any mentionable problems over last few months Link to post Share on other sites
DualWieldNate Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 I've got a Kalash/Dboys AKS74U and from my use with that it's preformed amazingly well and I've really put some rounds through it in the year or so I've onwed it. Only thing to fail me was the hop rubber, which seems to be the regular grips with almost all cloned AEGs these days. I had been waiting for the Dboys AIMs but this has put a spanner in the works for me. I suppose it all comes down to pricing. From what I've heard the latest Dboys offerings have been pretty decent and as I've just said somewhere else on the forums I'd pay $150 for one of these and happily pump $100 into the mechbox. You'd still be ~$200 better off? Link to post Share on other sites
Serotonin Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Really fancy one of these. Link to post Share on other sites
tosuzu Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 About the JG vs DBoy thing I believe JG is really stepping up. Just by having the MOSFET(IRL1404 which is really good might I add better then systema one) pre-installed in the AEG, now if only Dboy would do the same. Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted April 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 About the JG vs DBoy thing I believe JG is really stepping up. Just by having the MOSFET(IRL1404 which is really good might I add better then systema one) pre-installed in the AEG, now if only Dboy would do the same. that Mosfet is just by name a Mosfet the quality is cheap *suitcase*, and JG just started doing Metal bodies mate just started...DBoys have done Steel bodies and parts for a year already you tell me which one is more advanced Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 I do like the look of this and seeing as budget is of a concern it could be a happy little AEG to use for those days you want something you already have mags for. Thing is, will this be released by Uk retailers (Action hobbys airsoft world fire support etc), the reason i ask is the only one I can see - last time I checked - was the doboyi's scar on action hobbys. Think it had something to do with the lead in parts (Like paint or certain nails etc). Link to post Share on other sites
Hammerfall Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 The MOSFET in JG guns isn't great, performance/function, fitting/finish wise - works though. Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 On mosfets... well, I made a simple one and threw it on my M14 while rewiring the whole AEG. now the trigger is a dream with Lipos or a 9.6V. It was indeed a bit hard as It was my first serious electrical work in... well, years and years... , even so, I dont think JG mosfets deserve the HUGE price rise on their new AEGs which externally, at least, are a bit far from Dboys old and new models, just have a look at Dboys HK416 news thread. Anyway, on topic, Im glad Dboys have stopped cloning Marui and began a new VFC era, but I too hope they clone the new Marui M4 BB system as Cyma has made with their new AK47 Link to post Share on other sites
Skippy Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Hi Isamu, Dboys/Kalash have been cloning VFC's for a long while now. Lets just hope they are quick to clone the elusive HK417.... Cheers TC Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Cyma didn't clone the marui blowback engine. they just cloned the old attach the bolt plate to the piston design. right? Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted April 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Cyma didn't clone the marui blowback engine. they just cloned the old attach the bolt plate to the piston design. right? MP5s have the Marui engine right? i think ive heard from many places its (Cyma says it is but i havent seen them live so cannot really say that) Link to post Share on other sites
NeoVeNoM Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Hi Isamu, Dboys/Kalash have been cloning VFC's for a long while now. Lets just hope they are quick to clone the elusive HK417.... Cheers TC How do you clone an airsoftgun that doesn't exist (yet, let's hope VFC will make one)? Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 MP5s have the Marui engine right? i think ive heard from many places its (Cyma says it is but i havent seen them live so cannot really say that) marui never made a blowback MP5. Link to post Share on other sites
Beast06 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 It's the G&G MP5. Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted April 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 It's the G&G MP5. MP5 is the body is G&G but the blowback engine is from Marui according to the factory, its not G&G blowback clone. Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Sorry, I was referring to Dboys cloning M4 variants, my mistake As for Cyma's Ak BB feature, its said on other threads that it indeed is a clone of the Marui sistem and not VFC/Guarder Bb system, but we can be wrong, so Theres no other option than waiting for a proper review Link to post Share on other sites
Unit 318 Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 MP5 is the body is G&G but the blowback engine is from Marui according to the factory, its not G&G blowback clone. But the internals and externals of G&G and TM don't fit together (EI: MP5 and M14). Point being they would have to fully copy one or another, so that makes no sense to me. Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted April 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 But the internals and externals of G&G and TM don't fit together (EI: MP5 and M14). Point being they would have to fully copy one or another, so that makes no sense to me. things dont always make sense they are clones after all, some parts cloned from one and others from other. Link to post Share on other sites
thartwig Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Because TM doesnt have a BB Mp5 G&G designed their own BB system for it. Anyway, CYMA, did indeed clone the TM bb system for the AK, though i dont see how it is in any way impressive. BACK TO THE KAC! Any updates for pricing? And who's willing to make a review for us folks who dont want to buy it first thing??? Link to post Share on other sites
Alakdan101 Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 The MOSFET in JG guns isn't great, performance/function, fitting/finish wise - works though.But adding a single p-channel mosfet can be a good device for AB. things dont always make sense they are clones after all, some parts cloned from one and others from other.Hybrid Clone... Link to post Share on other sites
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