wraithxt1 Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 I think that would be a fair assessment. I used my MP9 for some woodland skirmishing and it did pretty well, with accuracy at least on par with a TM AEG stock. Zero cooldown even when emptying an entire magazine on auto in one burst. Very hard kick, a nice loud CLACK from the bolt on each cycle...it's just a fun little gun to shoot. I'll be using it a gain this weekend in Chiba Japan, so I'll let everyone know how it fairs in colder weather with propane. I wonder if it can handle red gas when the temp is in the 40s... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vercingetorix Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Argh, WTH, just when I have the money to get the damn thing, it is sold out everywhere. Anyone know where it is in stock? I tried Ehobby, WGC, RWAS, etc. I don't care if it is overseas or not, as long as it will come with trades intact. Thanks guys! Is it at all possible to get it from KSC direct? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AirSoftNJ Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Argh, WTH, just when I have the money to get the damn thing, it is sold out everywhere. Anyone know where it is in stock? I tried Ehobby, WGC, RWAS, etc. I don't care if it is overseas or not, as long as it will come with trades intact. Thanks guys! Is it at all possible to get it from KSC direct? Why dont you wait for KWA's? When KWA's are made that means KSC is Also Producing them soon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
calbur20 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Why dont you wait for KWA's? When KWA's are made that means KSC is Also Producing them soon Not to mention the KWA MP9 will be using System 7 internals and mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Connery Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Probably because the KWA one will not have the B&T trademarks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
galactica Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Would someone really buy an old MP9 over a system 7 one because of trades? really? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wraithxt1 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 I hear a lot of talking and not a lot of evidence for a KWA with System 7. Last I hear the MP9 was another limited run just like the TMP before it. If it's sold out odds are you'll have to wait a few years until another batch is made. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
calbur20 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 I hear a lot of talking and not a lot of evidence for a KWA with System 7. Last I hear the MP9 was another limited run just like the TMP before it. If it's sold out odds are you'll have to wait a few years until another batch is made. Straight from the horses' mouth. http://www.kwausa.com/forums/index.php?sho...4&pid=17556 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vercingetorix Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 (edited) NM. looks like I'm waiting. KSC is releasing new MP9-TP9 stuff, maybe this batch will be SYS 7, and they'll make more MP9s? A guy can hope, right? Edited January 21, 2010 by Vercingetorix Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wraithxt1 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Interesting. Shame it doesnt have trades though. I have to wonder what good system 7 will be on a gun with the performance of an MP9 will be. I can already get two full magazines off with short bursts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 The advantages of the NS2/System 7 over the Hardkick is: - Higher FPS - Better gas efficiency - And the possibility that accuracy can be improved because the requirement to hold the BB by the Hop rub sleeve is no longer there, meaning we end-users can modify the hop rubber to make the Hop more consistent. The disadvantages of the NS2/System 7 - Less kick Given that system 7 is really just recycling the old Negative pressure system from the Glock and the old SPP/TMPs it might just be using the old molds from the Non-hard kick models. Anyone tried to fit a Non-hardkick bolt from a TMP/SPP onto the MP9? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vercingetorix Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) Pretty sure someone did try that. I'll be using this for CQB, and out FA legal limit is 250 w/ .2s, so FPS is not really a biggie for me. In addition to CQB, I'll be using it as a DMR/Sniper backup, in which case it'd really be a SHTF close range type deal is someone got inside the 80-100ft MED, so the only ting that I'd prefer with the NS2/SYS 7 is the added cool-down combatency for long bursts, etc, but I doubt I'll be spraying and praying to much anyway I might just go ahead and get the hardkick model, but then the magpul FPJ does look soooooooooo awesome, and I cold switch my primary over to a glock and have magazine sharedness between the two. Edited January 22, 2010 by Vercingetorix Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wraithxt1 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) The advantages of the NS2/System 7 over the Hardkick is: - Higher FPS - Better gas efficiency - And the possibility that accuracy can be improved because the requirement to hold the BB by the Hop rub sleeve is no longer there, meaning we end-users can modify the hop rubber to make the Hop more consistent. - I live in Japan, the current MP9 shoots just under 1j, so higher FPS would mean I wouldnt be able to use it. Might be more of a benefit in the US for woodland skirmishing - Why would I need more efficiency when I can empty the entire mag on auto in cold weather with no cooldown? I suppose if it's that much better it would make the MP9 an even better all year weapons. - It's already accurate out to its maximum range, I had no issues whatsoever hitting man sized targets, ON SEMI. On auto there is some spread due to the recoil. The disadvantages of the NS2/System 7 - Less kick The kick and loud report are why I bought the MP9 over the Mp7, it's just so much FUN to shoot! I'm not sure I would want to use something that didnt rattle around as much as my MP9 does. I'm most interested in if they are going to correct the bolt stop issues. After a few hundred rounds pretty much every TMP/MP9 bolt stop will cease to function due only to the poor design that allows the notch on the bolt to round off. EDIT: If magpull really is releasing a model based on their folding rifle/glock, you'd better believe I'll be selling my MP9 in a HEARTBEAT. Edited January 22, 2010 by wraithxt1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Wraithxt1: I am merely listing out the objective advantages and disadvantages of the systems, not trying to tell people what they should buy. Lets wait till the MP9 system 7 comes out, I do wish they fix the flimsy stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wraithxt1 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 I understand 3vi1-D4n, I was just listing my thoughts on the new MP9 as someone who owns the older version. So far I dont think my stock is flimsy at all, but it does have a very slight bit of wiggle in it that I cant seem to get rid of. It's nothing devastating to me, but it is a bit annoying. As I said before, if they fix the bolt stop issue I'll be VERY tempted to buy one just for that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Connery Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Anyone tried to fit a Non-hardkick bolt from a TMP/SPP onto the MP9? I did three days after I bought it. As long as you change everything from the upper half, it works flawlessly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wraithxt1 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q92mRcSvG38 Theres the new MP9 thats coming out. I dont know about anyone else, but my MP9 doesnt have ANYWHERE near the cooldown that one has. It also doesnt have that rate of fire. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Connery Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 I agree, my MP9 doesn't cool down at all on the first magazine. Even my Non-Hardkick TMPs don't have cooldown on the first mag. But that 400fps power is kinda nice. I guess we all can't have everything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shinden Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 Connery, I am expecting the Taiwan version to have more power than the USA versions. Just like how the MP7A1 US version shoots lower FPS than the Taiwan version. I am hoping to get those Taiwan makes! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Connery Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 I'm expecting that too, Shinden. However, knowing what KWA does to lower the power, more than likely, it's just the rocket valve is going to get the plug style one that comes with the KSC/KWA US version MP7. And if that's all it is, then I have a spare Firefly rocket valve for KSC Glock sitting in my parts drawer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 ill just grab the RA-Tech NPAS kit when they release it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shinden Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 (edited) I'm expecting that too, Shinden. However, knowing what KWA does to lower the power, more than likely, it's just the rocket valve is going to get the plug style one that comes with the KSC/KWA US version MP7. And if that's all it is, then I have a spare Firefly rocket valve for KSC Glock sitting in my parts drawer. You and Ryan were always TMP prepared you know. I was always trying to get into the TMP wagon, but the excessive maintenance put me off on buying one. I will have to still buy the KWA Taiwan version because of Trademarks and the 400FPS power. Hoping for more things from KWA later. Its ironic that Allizard said in his video they have to lower the power for US, however you do have guns like the KWA KM4/KG36 series shooting at 400FPS. It isn't any different if the gun was made into smaller compact weapon or a longer weapon. In CQB, most players will prefer to play with 350+FPS guns. Edited January 24, 2010 by Shinden Quote Link to post Share on other sites
galactica Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 You're not quite seeing the point -it's a gas gun, not an AEG - if it's 400fps in a 65 degree warehouse, what's it going to be in the mid-day sun? Too hot for CQB in anyone's language! Additionally, we've found that it's not just the style of rocket valve, but also the strength of its spring, that affects fps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sacairsoftsn00py Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Can someone please post a photo of the loading nozzle of the KSC MP9? I'm trying to decide whether to get the KSC TP9 or wait for the KWA version of the MP9 which is running the NS2 system. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Connery Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Wait for the KWA version running the NS2 system. KSC TP9 runs off the Hardkick system. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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