KWP Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 They say it can adjust to different sizes to fit the WA, G&P, Ino and the Prime lower receiver. Stats, videos and pics on their website: http://www.prowin-technical.com One distinctive feature is the enhanced valve lock with roller: Link to post Share on other sites
tanpanther Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 I don't see why the 20 rounder has to be limited. Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Andrews Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 I thought these had been cancelled? Or was it another manufacturer? Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Same manufacturer, but the technical problem they had has been resolved. Link to post Share on other sites
xerxes Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 It'll have to do something pretty special or be pretty cheap to beat the competition. The GHK magazines and original WA magazine I use have all worked pretty well so far, and the GHK magazines are just so cheap to buy. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Well there is their CO2 magazine which will hopefully be good. Link to post Share on other sites
-=OGGY=- Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 no way these will be cheap as the are CNC, but hopefully that allows for a better seal. If you watch the videos it also shows very little cool down which is a HUGE plus. Also having the roller pre-installed is excellent as it makes for one less thing to buy. I know I will be picking one up as soon as I finish my magna system build. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Just wanted to point out one inaccuracy in the ProWin data sheet: they say that only the ProWin mags can use Magpul Ranger Plates. This is inaccurate. I have one on my GHK mag. Link to post Share on other sites
7jl22sea Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Liking those short 20 rounders, wondered who would be the first to release those Link to post Share on other sites
xerxes Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 If they get their act together and knock out reliable CO2 magazines that'll operate in the 328-370FPS range on 0.2g ammunition and run off powerlets, I'll take twelve. Link to post Share on other sites
MCXL Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 That would be impossible. CO2 operates at such a high pressure that just operating the recoil system would result in higher FPS then that in the WA system at least. Link to post Share on other sites
Firefly0 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Co2 is regulated inside the magazine, you wouldn't want 800 psi for any GBB. Link to post Share on other sites
MCXL Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 "Regulated" doesn't mean Regulated. Something on that small a scale is not going to be able too consistently control gas flow. A more accurate term for a in mag regulator would be a restrictor. Many people run 2 regulators on external setups, I doubt that they can fit even one of those regulator systems into a WA/WE mag. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 They've already made CO2 mags for the WE, can't see why they can't do the same for the WA system. WETTI said their mags are regulated. As to how these are regulated by means of a dual chamber or just a pinhole to restrict flow, they won't say. But the mags are made to shoot at 350~500fps depending on what nozzle you have on the carrier which means the mags in themselves perform equally to regular gas mags only that they are usable in the cold. Link to post Share on other sites
MCXL Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 IIRC they are pinhole. The WE system regulates gas flow to the barrel in a very different manner then the WA inside the bolt system, so its kinda an odd comparison. Link to post Share on other sites
xerxes Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Then all you do is fit an adjustable bolt in the WA / G&P / Ino, and make sure the mags put out as little gas as possible! Shocker eh? Link to post Share on other sites
MCXL Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Wont work consistently. I know of many fields that have banned internal Co2 Airsoft guns. Simply because it may chrono at 400 and then hit the field and shoot a shot at 600 or 700 FPS. Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 if it were really that simple...INO would have made those co2 mags ages ago. Link to post Share on other sites
MCXL Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Good point. Link to post Share on other sites
-=OGGY=- Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 In my eyes there are two things that every after market company worth their salt should be working on: -Co2 Mags -20rd Mags There is currently a huge demand for both of these things, so I really don't know why ProWin put time and money into re-doing what had been do. Sure, as shinhk said, it will not be easy to make Co2 mags, but once they get it right they will get all of of their hard work back in the form of lots of $$$$$$$$$. Link to post Share on other sites
xerxes Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 I think it's just a case of not enough time, money and engineering skill having been thrown at the problem yet. Let's face it, our hobby is a niche market, probably doesn't attract amazing salaries and by extension probably doesn't attract the best engineers. Give it time. Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 The problem is...lots of airsoft people don't like to pay for things made out of hard work. They rather get things as cheap as possible. Retailers know this and will do as little research and development to push out a product. And like xerxes said, the best engineers and developers aren't working for airsoft companies. co2 magazines made for a platform that was originally engineered to run on 134a isn't a simple "design this and it will work" thing. If ProWin took a long time to release these, and sold them for $80 to "cover costs", I'd still buy one because they actually took the WA magazine and did a lot of research and development to build a better one. Of course...this is assuming that they'll work as advertised. But you know how that goes with 3rd party manufacturers. This is why I supposrt the Western Arms line of GBB rifles because everyone complains about price but disregards what it took for them to build and design it. Everyone complains about price only because cheap chinese companies release AEG's for under $100. Why do you think that is? Because building parts you didn't have to design is a HECK OF A LOT cheaper than paying a group of people to engineer a part for you. Link to post Share on other sites
KWP Posted May 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 The problem is...lots of airsoft people don't like to pay for things made out of hard work. They rather get things as cheap as possible. Retailers know this and will do as little research and development to push out a product. And like xerxes said, the best engineers and developers aren't working for airsoft companies. co2 magazines made for a platform that was originally engineered to run on 134a isn't a simple "design this and it will work" thing. If ProWin took a long time to release these, and sold them for $80 to "cover costs", I'd still buy one because they actually took the WA magazine and did a lot of research and development to build a better one. Of course...this is assuming that they'll work as advertised. But you know how that goes with 3rd party manufacturers. This is why I supposrt the Western Arms line of GBB rifles because everyone complains about price but disregards what it took for them to build and design it. Everyone complains about price only because cheap chinese companies release AEG's for under $100. Why do you think that is? Because building parts you didn't have to design is a HECK OF A LOT cheaper than paying a group of people to engineer a part for you. Quoted for truth! Link to post Share on other sites
xerxes Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 *snip* Double QFT, for Great Justice. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 They have been released!!! $62 at eHobby Link to post Share on other sites
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