sacairsoftsn00py Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 not sure if the 260 dollar kit uses the steel one...but it would be nice if someone who knows could let us know Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Luis21 Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Yes, the NPAS BCG does use the steel bolt carrier and the aluminum loading nozzle. I just want to see the BCG in detail before I buy it. Â -Luis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 hmmm...maybe there will be a 5ku version in a month or so... if only it was full auto that got replaced by the burst feature  Aye, I wouldnt see it taking too long for a cheaper version to surface, provided a chinese manufac is willing to bring out a trigger which they havent done till now. Does need slightly finer tolerances than a standard auto hammer and sear can get away with though so depends if they can be assed with the machining work needed for the burst ratchet.  it is full auto that gets replaced with burst - Safe Semi and 3rd Burst, versus Safe Semi and Auto.  there are compromises in it as a system but kinda hard to avoid when they're inherited from it mimicking the real deal - the burst count 'memory effect' and variations on weight of trigger pull because of the ratchet and front sear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deepeyes Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Check this out  http://www.gunnerairsoft.com/catalog/produ...cc40dfec97aff46  SPR upper. =D  Kinda make sense to sell these uppers instead of complete guns. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Check this out http://www.gunnerairsoft.com/catalog/produ...cc40dfec97aff46  SPR upper. =D  Kinda make sense to sell these uppers instead of complete guns.  one big spendy bolt carrier group shared between three or four cheap uppers  Only things really missing just now are the ancillary parts for the cheap CNC hop units If you want to use one of those in each upper then you're stuffed as you can only get them from stripping an existing plastic hop unit   I see that bare AGM lowers are being made available on their own now too for 27 bucks, will probably give them a miss but hopefully it wont be long before we see the ACM lowers available too (no trades and have RS buffer tube threading)  Quote Link to post Share on other sites
48thRonin Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Could some one tell me which length inner barrell i need to fit a Dytac 12" recon outter? I think its 300mm but not too sure. Thanks   Can any one shead any light on this for me please? Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Luis21 Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Can any one shead any light on this for me please? Thanks  Well 12 inches is equal to 304 mm so yeah, a 300mm inner barrel would be correct.  -Luis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deepeyes Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 one big spendy bolt carrier group shared between three or four cheap uppers  Only things really missing just now are the ancillary parts for the cheap CNC hop units If you want to use one of those in each upper then you're stuffed as you can only get them from stripping an existing plastic hop unit   I see that bare AGM lowers are being made available on their own now too for 27 bucks, will probably give them a miss but hopefully it wont be long before we see the ACM lowers available too (no trades and have RS buffer tube threading)   Yea. Adjust the FPS, woodlands and CQB gun good to go. Just swap out the uppers.  http://www.gunnerairsoft.com/catalog/produ...91e8eac91b9b6fb  Thats the lower, Plus it comes with trades. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnnyj Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 the trades look pants on that lower like the early dboys jobbys , i am very intrested in the uppers for being able to just have the one lower and 3-4 complete uppers  whats the postage like with gunners ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
48thRonin Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Thanks Luis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FearMeansControl Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Interrupted burst - note that if you were to be fast enough at feathering the trigger before a 3round burst completes then the next burst will only be what's left of that interupted burst  ie  if you manage to squeeze just one shot off before releasing the trigger? then you'll get the two shots of that interupted burst on next burst fire trigger pull not 3 rounds.  Likewise if you fire two rounds and release trigger, then you'll get the third shot of that interupted burst on its own on next trigger pull  now we're talking realistic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Luis21 Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Thanks Luis  No problem mate.  I weighed a WE M4 mag yesterday and man!!! What a difference, after having handled and gotten used to the heavyweight AGM mag, the WE mag felt like a feather.  That's one more reason why I'm switching to a WA SCAR....  -Luis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
teflon don Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 are there replacement valves available for agm mags ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Luis21 Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 (edited) are there replacement valves available for agm mags ? Â Here are the valves: Â http://www.px-airsoft.com/showroom/model/T...624975500008472 Â Â http://www.px-airsoft.com/showroom/model/T...690827421001080 Â O-Ring set: Â http://www.px-airsoft.com/showroom/model/T...071822828016856 Â Â IMPORTANT: Â All of you 5KU AGM lightweight mags..... Â How light are they really????? Does anyone have a precise scale they can use to confirm their claim? Â Thanks, Â -Luis Edited August 23, 2009 by Luis21 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FearMeansControl Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Luis,  I just weighed an early AGM (~May/June) and a 5KU..  The AGM weighed in at 27.4 oz. and the 5KU was 21.0 oz.  Both had BB's in them, though I'm not sure of the quantity, but they were both empty of gas. The BB's being present hurts accuracy, but at .2g a piece, 50 BB's weighs less than half an ounce, I don't think it's toooo big a deal  Just by holding them, the 5KU is noticeably lighter (and has given me less in the way of problems) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Luis21 Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Luis, I just weighed an early AGM (~May/June) and a 5KU..  The AGM weighed in at 27.4 oz. and the 5KU was 21.0 oz.  Both had BB's in them, though I'm not sure of the quantity, but they were both empty of gas. The BB's being present hurts accuracy, but at .2g a piece, 50 BB's weighs less than half an ounce, I don't think it's toooo big a deal  Just by holding them, the 5KU is noticeably lighter (and has given me less in the way of problems)  Thanks man, I really appreciate your help. I'm sure others will too.  For those of you familiar with the metric system:  Heavy AGM Mag: 776g  5KU lightweight: 596g  The 5KU are just over half a kilo. I want to carry 6 so I'll be carrying around 3kgs of mags or about 7.5lbs(w/ gas &BBs). Not too bad.....  If you were to carry early gen. heavyweight AGM mags, you'd be carryin about 10.5lbs worth of mags.  -Luis  Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FearMeansControl Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Thanks man, I really appreciate your help. I'm sure others will too. For those of you familiar with the metric system:  Heavy AGM Mag: 776g  5KU lightweight: 596g  The 5KU are just over half a kilo. I want to carry 6 so I'll be carrying around 3kgs of mags or about 7.5lbs(w/ gas &BBs). Not too bad.....  If you were to carry early gen. heavyweight AGM mags, you'd be carryin about 10.5lbs worth of mags.  -Luis  shaving off 3 pounds of kit ain't bad..  now then, does anyone have a link to the PGC hopup copy that allows you to use AEG barrels? What I saw on PX looks like the 5KU I already have.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Luis21 Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 (edited) shaving off 3 pounds of kit ain't bad.. now then, does anyone have a link to the PGC hopup copy that allows you to use AEG barrels? What I saw on PX looks like the 5KU I already have..  Yeah, 3 pounds is alright..  The PGC clone hop-up chamber for AEG barrels seems to be out of stock since PX-Airsoft doesn't have it listed.  It also seems that PX-Airsoft is the only store that carries the PGC hop-up copy because it's not anywhere else.  Here's the actual PGC/Pro-Win unit:  http://airsoftglobal.com/product_info.php?...roducts_id=7835  However the copy is $30 less. I have it and can only tell you to buy it ASAP! It's built very well and it fits the AGM good. I'd wait until it gets back in stock and save yourself some money.  -Luis Edited August 24, 2009 by Luis21 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 (edited) I weighed a WE M4 mag yesterday and man!!! What a difference, after having handled and gotten used to the heavyweight AGM mag, the WE mag felt like a feather.  far as WE mags go bear in mind they cost more than any AGM or 5KU you're comparing with and hold 30 rounds a pop = to carry 300 rounds on a WE you'ld need 10 of them (3.5 kilos) and be spending 350 bucks or so on mags (9 at 39 bucks, you get one with the gun)  to carry 300 rounds on WA, then 7 GHK weigh in at just under 3.4 kilos and costing same 350 bucks, or you can go with 6 of the 'lightweight' 5KU mags costing you 150 bucks or so and weighing just under 3.6 kilos   It also seems that PX-Airsoft is the only store that carries the PGC hop-up copy because it's not anywhere else.  urm no.. boomarms also have the clone AEG barrel compatible hop unit around half way down this page  http://www.boomarms.com/sc/showcatalog.asp...;sKeyword=wa+m4       Edited August 24, 2009 by snorkelman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Luis21 Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 far as WE mags go bear in mind they cost more than any AGM or 5KU you're comparing with and hold 30 rounds a pop = to carry 300 rounds on a WE you'ld need 10 of them (3.5 kilos) and be spending 350 bucks or so on mags (9 at 39 bucks, you get one with the gun) to carry 300 rounds on WA, then 7 GHK weigh in at just under 3.4 kilos and costing same 350 bucks, or you can go with 6 of the 'lightweight' 5KU mags costing you 150 bucks or so and weighing just under 3.6 kilos  Yeah, thanks Snorkel.  Price is the main factor right now. If it wasn't I would of gotten an Inokatsu..  If I went with the WE SCAR, I'd also carry 6 mags. Regardless of gun system.  I'll be going with the 6 5KU mags plus 1 AGM heavy weight.  Hopefully I don't fall back with all this weight in my dump pouch.  -Luis  Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JM360 Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Yeah, 3 pounds is alright.. The PGC clone hop-up chamber for AEG barrels seems to be out of stock since PX-Airsoft doesn't have it listed.  It also seems that PX-Airsoft is the only store that carries the PGC hop-up copy because it's not anywhere else.  Here's the actual PGC/Pro-Win unit:  http://airsoftglobal.com/product_info.php?...roducts_id=7835  However the copy is $30 less. I have it and can only tell you to buy it ASAP! It's built very well and it fits the AGM good. I'd wait until it gets back in stock and save yourself some money.  -Luis  About the PGC copy. There's actually something wrong with it. The build quality is nice and all but the rubber seems a bit off. I've tried two of these already and the nozzle of the agm does not grip well inside the rubber of the PGC copy. This causes an fps drop since it couldn't seal the air very well. The WA design hop has a cylinder where the rubber sits inside as it catches the nozzle. In the PGC, there is no cylinder, its just pure rubber that tries to catch the nozzle. This isn't a bad design per se, but the rubber should at least be a snug fit to the nozzle as it catches it. Might try the JG nozzle when it comes out, so far my AGM is put on hold awaiting parts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Luis21 Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 About the PGC copy. There's actually something wrong with it. The build quality is nice and all but the rubber seems a bit off. I've tried two of these already and the nozzle of the agm does not grip well inside the rubber of the PGC copy. This causes an fps drop since it couldn't seal the air very well. The WA design hop has a cylinder where the rubber sits inside as it catches the nozzle. In the PGC, there is no cylinder, its just pure rubber that tries to catch the nozzle. This isn't a bad design per se, but the rubber should at least be a snug fit to the nozzle as it catches it. Might try the JG nozzle when it comes out, so far my AGM is put on hold awaiting parts. Â I see. However even if it did work with the AGM nozzle, the nozzle wouldn't last enough anyways... Â -Luis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JM360 Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 yeah but the thing is, I don't think the agm nozzle diameter differs that much from the rest... I'm hoping i'm wrong... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Luis21 Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 yeah but the thing is, I don't think the agm nozzle diameter differs that much from the rest... I'm hoping i'm wrong... Â I'll let you all know how it works in conjunction with an RA-Tech NPAS BCG soon. Â -Luis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ruchik Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Does anyone have a problem with the nozzle sometimes not moving back with the bolt carrier when the bolt locks back? The GHK mag I have locks the bolt carrier back consistently all the way, but sometimes the white nozzle itself only moves back partway, or barely at all. It's really random. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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