sin415 Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 how long is the inner barrel? is the outer barrel one piece? has anyone tried any of the the WA/AGM upgrades on EBB? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tuulos Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 My mag that came with the RIS version doesn't leak at all so they must have done something, most likely just replaced the o-rings. Â Regarding EBB, it seems efficient from previous experience to send them a polite email asking can they send you the tracking number for your purchase so you can get the package through customs easier. Â @Kojak, I doubt you can get regular airsoft rails to fit it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 (edited) full set of internal gubbins now ordered, girl over at RA-tech was nice enough to go source some inokatsu steel bits n bobbles I was after on a 'If you're happy enough to modify them then dont blame me if they dont fit' basis, so no need to shove a seperate order into WGC for those.  still cant decide on the damn externals.. I figure best bet is just to get it all up and running in the AGM receiver first and take it from there  Mag wise Ive stuck a GHK one on the RA-T order to take a look at but going to keep my options open rather than comit to a bundle of mags (I dont really fancy the weight of the AGM ones)  Cant help wondering what approach dboys will take if their rumoured rival WA-M4 clone also sees light of day - with their tie in with GHK for their blowback AK perhaps they'll go with a version of GHKs mag design. Edited June 16, 2009 by snorkelman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Luis21 Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Thanks a ton for the photos KWP!!!! I really appreciate them. I can't wait for the DBoys and JG GBBrs(if they're even making them). Those photos convinced me. I'm going with the AGM 062. Â Thanks, Â -Luis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 (edited) Inner barrel length is a full length 14.5" barrel  Outer barrel is one piece hard aluminium alloy, Lathed and CNC'ed, then anodised? Its probably the best looking and straightest airsoft barrel I have seen in a while. You are literally buying the gun for the barrel. Edited June 16, 2009 by 3vi1-D4n Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kojak Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Well for me, I use propane. So I don't want to bust the gun. I found a hop-up unit on redwolf that allows me to use a AEG barrel with this gun. I plan on getting that so I can put my Systema BS Barrel in there. I would totally spend that amount on a cheaper gun to bring it above par for less then the price of the higher priced brand. It makes sense to do that instead of buying the WA... and then from 600 dollars pay another $2,000 to make it able to be durable (Metal Body, Internals, ect.) Where as for $200 you get the gun. From there you already have a sturdy gun, and the next thing to do it upgrade the internals, that would be anywhere from $300 to $600. Then you have a skirmisheable gun for about 1/3 or 1/2 of the price that it cost to buying the WA. So I think it is reasonable. Just think about how much money we waiste every day... lol. When I buy an Airsoft Gun I compare it to the real steel. If I buy a WA for 600 dollars and then spend SOOOoo much money on upgrades that the guns value goes up to around $2000... for goodness sakes... I would have really wished I bought a real steel... lol because it would have still costed less then that.   I realize that the gun is going to cost me several times the purchase price in the long run, but for now I just want the parts on hand to keep it running on propane while I get used to a gasgun. I will definitely want the AEG compatible hopup unit/tightbore and every other worthwhile internal upgrade IF I end up using this gun for games, but I'm trying to keep it as basic as possible for starters. Hence the $12 metal hopup and Chinese bolt.  With that in mind, how should I upgrade the nozzle and any other prone-to-breaking part? I can do without the NPAS for the moment since 400-450 FPS is the norm where I play. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tuulos Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 I doubt you need the bolt carrier, the original is already made of metal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stickyittoyou Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 I doubt you need the bolt carrier, the original is already made of metal. Â Well, I was just taking note to some pictures of someones bolt at around 7K rounds. It had a nice spot that had been worn down A LOT and would get caught on the bolt catch (Like that part realy needs anymore needless wear and tear). I just want something that wont over time snag up the inside of the gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 On mine, the area of the bolt that interfaces with the bolt catch has a small steel insert on it, so far it hasn't fallen off or worn yet so it shouldn't wear badly unless both the inserts on th bolt catch and bolt is missing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stickyittoyou Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 I realize that the gun is going to cost me several times the purchase price in the long run, but for now I just want the parts on hand to keep it running on propane while I get used to a gasgun. I will definitely want the AEG compatible hopup unit/tightbore and every other worthwhile internal upgrade IF I end up using this gun for games, but I'm trying to keep it as basic as possible for starters. Hence the $12 metal hopup and Chinese bolt. With that in mind, how should I upgrade the nozzle and any other prone-to-breaking part? I can do without the NPAS for the moment since 400-450 FPS is the norm where I play.  I wouldn't go with a metal nozzle since it would damage the BB's upon hitting them. I think that an aluminum bolt face is a must when it comes to propane. I myself am out to prove a point about lower priced guns, that the bias people who think everyone should go for name brand products instead of going cheap and then paying less then them to get a better gun is the smarter way to go.  As for the parts, here is my complete list that I made up of purchasing. Everything from Redwolf has the shipping quote for me.  AGM M4A1 Gas Blow-back Rifle Initial Pricing (Rifle only) - $198.00 RAS Version - $178.00 (Shipped from EBB) 1.) http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/other-gun/gas-b...back-rifle.html 2.) http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.php?cPa...roducts_id=2300 Total Pricing (EBB) - $178.00 Total Pricing (EHobbyAsia) - Required Upgrades PGC Hop Up Kit for Western Arms (WA) M4 Series $67.40 http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airs...il?prodID=25260 RA-TECH N.P.A.S Complete bolt - Silver -$260 http://www.ratech.com.tw/eng_ra/product/ra...rag_wa_bolt.php G&P Aluminum Buffer for Western Arms (WA) M4A1 Series - $37.90 http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airs...il?prodID=25951 Total Pricing (Upgrades) - $365.30  Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stickyittoyou Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 My mag that came with the RIS version doesn't leak at all so they must have done something, most likely just replaced the o-rings. Regarding EBB, it seems efficient from previous experience to send them a polite email asking can they send you the tracking number for your purchase so you can get the package through customs easier.  @Kojak, I doubt you can get regular airsoft rails to fit it.  The UTG RIS rail will work, it's meant for the real steel... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ruchik Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Quick question, but what's the barrel nut on an M4? An earlier post said it was loose from the factory, but I have no idea what it is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davedawg123 Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 The barrel nut is the toothy nut that holds the outer barrel and mates with the upper receiver. This nut is located under the delta ring (which is the ring you pull back in order to remove the handguards/RIS). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ruchik Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Gotcha. I'm just curious though...do the AGM mags have a nub or button that allows the gun to dry fire, like the WE mags? I'm wondering if the reason why people aren't having any luck with their bolts locking back is because of that nub, and simply pushing it the other way or on/off will let the bolt lock back again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KWP Posted June 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Thanks a ton for the photos KWP!!!! I really appreciate them. I can't wait for the DBoys and JG GBBrs(if they're even making them). Those photos convinced me. I'm going with the AGM 062. Thanks,  -Luis No problem, I'm just quite impressed myself and want to share the experience. Here's a new video showing the RIS version:  name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src=" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>"> name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src=" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"> Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kalmar Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 My new AGM will be here today I don't expect quality anywhere near the original WA or what my current GBBR is now, but I just might be surprised The price you pay for what you get is unbelievable - I'm actually getting these to start up my own GBBR team hooah!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hugh_b Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 ok guy's, i've been reading through this thread as i'm looking for a new weapon. Just getting back into airsoft after a while off. What kind of temperatures can this gun run reliably at? Can any of the UK guy's tell me if they think it's going to be skirmish-able?  Obdviously this is very much a milsim weapon which is my style anyway so i don't need a "hose" but something that could put out single shots every time and 5-10 rounds at times without slowing right down would be ideal.  Ive had countless amounts of aeg's, upgraded them, custom builds etc but never a gbb rifle so i apologize for my lack of knowledge on them.  Thanks  Hugh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HOPPERSAN Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 So my bolt stop worked the first couple time and now it does not seem like the bolt travels back far enough to catch . its firing fine and if I charge the handle it will stay back and ideas . I also some where have seen a bolt stop upgrade mod somewhere but now I cant find if any one have a link Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roecar Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Mine is having the opposite problem of yours, my bolt goes back all the way but the latch is too tight to engage. I believe CRW airsoft figured out a way to fix it but they have yet to post a youtube vid of it. Also RATech makes a replacement bolt/bolt catch that might work better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HOPPERSAN Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 I did not want to just order and bolt catch yet because i don't know if that's the issue . It does lock back when charged by hand and mag empty just not when shooting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 anyone with a GHK M4 mag to hand that can measure up and let me know the length and width of one of its two aluminium internal tubes? Â Â Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kalmar Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 anyone with a GHK M4 mag to hand that can measure up and let me know the length and width of one of its two aluminium internal tubes? Â About 18x124mm externally. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Its dropped down to 10*C here, its working fine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sin415 Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 is the ra tech complete bolt required as an upgrade since the stock bolt is already metal?  anybody have the 2roy pom cylinder? anyone know where to get one?  i want to grab this to replace the the stock cylinder with this then drop a npas into that  does anyone think this is a good idea? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ruchik Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 I've ordered one form Redwolf, should be here in a couple days. I also ordered the PGC hop up and G&P o-ring set, I'll let you all know how that works out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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