bloodybiscuit Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 If your gun is not upgraded, use duster. If it has internal upgrades and the mags have the G&P seal kit you could use propane safely. *On a side note i have never ordered from redwolfairsoft.com before, but they have all the upgrade parts i want to put in my AGM GBB M4. So i want to know if i order from them will i have custom problems? Because the order will be for $630.00. Thanks where could i buy duster and a proper adapter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Mine doesn't roll out, even if you point it downwards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Luis21 Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 err.. i just ordered one of these and i read that if you point the gun downward, the bb will fallout??? wtf? How can we fix this? I bet if i'm running around in the woods with this thing i'm losing my bb's like breadcrumbs Oh and btw, will ultra air gas besufficient? (it's lower then green gas) I don't know where to get 'duster gas', or is the gas that being used for cleaning keyboards, etc.. fine? That's a burn. Since the AGM mag doesn't have the feature that protects it from liquid gas like the WA, then it'll break if you leave it on the side? That's gotta suck. -Luis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hite Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Seems action hobbys now has this gun in stock: here But for £200, personally, I'm probably going to pay £100 more for a WE m4a1. Hite Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) Since the AGM mag doesn't have the feature that protects it from liquid gas like the WA, then it'll break if you leave it on the side? That's gotta suck. I was firing mine sideways, its not a big issue, just not upside down. In fact with the NLS gone, is why the Agm mags can last so long on one charge. On a WA mag, the NLS takes the upper portion of the mag, so effectively first 1-2 shots, you will be pushing liquid propane up the NLS tubes, until the liquid propane level reaches where the NLS duct opening. Which means effectively you only have half a mag worth of gas even though you charged a whole tank of gas. The AGM mag just keeps shooting and shooting on a single tank of gas, its amazing actually. Edited June 11, 2009 by 3vi1-D4n Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Luis21 Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 I was firing mine sideways, its not a big issue, just not upside down. In fact with the NLS gone, is why the Agm mags can last so long on one charge. On a WA mag, the NLS takes the upper portion of the mag, so effectively first 1-2 shots, you will be pushing liquid propane up the NLS tubes, until the liquid propane level reaches where the NLS duct opening. Which means effectively you only have half a mag worth of gas even though you charged a whole tank of gas. The AGM mag just keeps shooting and shooting on a single tank of gas, its amazing actually. That sounds pretty good actually. So as long as I don't fire it upside down I'll be fine. -Luis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 When do ANYONE fire a rifle upside down? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 When do ANYONE fire a rifle upside down? I have once - the hop-up becomes a hop-down and the BB can be curved behind cover if you get the distances right... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morb Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 first time i'm going to play with an ACM gun. Hopefully this is a good, reliable skirmweapon... Hope it will run fine below 350 fps on ultra.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tinydata Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 first time i'm going to play with an ACM gun. Hopefully this is a good, reliable skirmweapon... Hope it will run fine below 350 fps on ultra.. yeah, my big worry is its FPS on duster...can't be above 330 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Schaap Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Hope it will run fine below 350 fps on ultra.. Let us know! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Since the AGM mag doesn't have the feature that protects it from liquid gas like the WA, then it'll break if you leave it on the side? That's gotta suck. -Luis Why do we think the mag will be damaged if we leave the mag horizontal? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roecar Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Why do we think the mag will be damaged if we leave the mag horizontal? Well the seals on my AGM mag stopped working after I left it on its side for about 15 minutes, but keep in mind that I had green gas in there. Now gas just travels through the mag without being stored. On a side note it was mentioned earlier that the WA/AGM barrels have a wider base causing the barrel nut to protrude about 2mm. Do the DYTac barrels sit lower like the G&P or is it the same as the WA/AGM barrels? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tinydata Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 roecar, same thing happened to me. I played with the o-ring a bit and now it works again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falconfour4 Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 So best to empty the mag after each use then? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 So best to empty the mag after each use then? I would never recommend that. On the one hand I suppose that the mags might distort over time when pressurised but I GUARANTEE you that you'll get leaks if you leave the mags without gas in. I can see no explanation for why a mag would begin to leak when left horizontal. It'll either hold the pressure or it won't, regardless of orientation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AnakChan Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 On a side note it was mentioned earlier that the WA/AGM barrels have a wider base causing the barrel nut to protrude about 2mm. Do the DYTac barrels sit lower like the G&P or is it the same as the WA/AGM barrels? Dytac same as WA/AGM. So got to use WA/AGM barrel nut. Having said that I'm getting a Dytac barrel "shaven" to the same thickness as the G&P since they're the only ones that make a silver/bling 14.5" outer barrel (yes I know Prime makes one too but too short). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roecar Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Dytac same as WA/AGM. So got to use WA/AGM barrel nut. Having said that I'm getting a Dytac barrel "shaven" to the same thickness as the G&P since they're the only ones that make a silver/bling 14.5" outer barrel (yes I know Prime makes one too but too short). Thanks for the reaffirmation I totally missed your first post about my question. With that said I did a budget for my AGM and I think I'll just shave my stock barrel since I can use the extra $90 for internals and better mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1st_shooter Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 i almost about to order one but now im worried about fps, if i want it reliable and run it on green i dont want it firing 500fps i want it reliable at 350 but not a sluggish 134a pace. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poison123 Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 i almost about to order one but now im worried about fps, if i want it reliable and run it on green i dont want it firing 500fps i want it reliable at 350 but not a sluggish 134a pace. Your gonna have to swap out several parts if you want it reliable on green and to fire 350. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bloodybiscuit Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 what parts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bloodybiscuit Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 hey, is there away i can get the BB's out of my mag when there is no gas in my mag and full of bbs. Is leaving the bbs in the empty mag bad? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poison123 Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 what parts? Boltface/nozzle, hop. Thats to make it reliable. To bring it to 350 on GG you'll need a shorter inner barrel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ST19AG_WGreymon Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 What kind of thread does the barrel have? CW or CCW? Anyone know where I can get the NPAS w/ aluminum bolt face here in the US? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poison123 Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Just put in my new ratech hop and alum npas bolt set......... Couple of things to note everyone: 1.) There's a reason the BBs roll out the barrel. The O-ring that is supposed to be on the hopup lip isn't there, it looks like they used some crappy waxish paper instead :/ 2.) The Alum npas nozzle doesn't fit very well at all. Its very hard pull the bolt face out and let the spring retract it. 3.) No matter how I adjust the npas it doesn't seem to cycle enough or something to chamber a new BB. Now with the npas set to full power, its driving .3g bbs almost through sheet rock Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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