TheFull9 Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Can anyone recommend a bog standard KAC style RIS unit to fit on to the 061? Guessing I'll be needing a new front hand guard cap as well but there seem to be fairly few options for these front ends around in comparison to all the flashy stuff, certainly from the higher end companies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AnanasMasriach Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Looks like its a good gun to build up from. Do you know if RA-Tech's NPAS kit is compatible with the stock bolt? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roecar Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 During the test fires and tweaks to see if I could get my AGM to shoot right, the 2Roy bolt cracked in the same exact place as my AGM bolt. Â I talked with Evike and they said they'd replace the 2Roy cylinder for me and check to see whats up with my BCG. I'll post any progress sometime Saturday afternoon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stew_b_10 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Are there any metal bolts out yet? I thought all were plastic. Â RA tech's 'nozzles' are actually bolts. so they make the aluminum NPAS and PPS. $130-$140.. id rather go with replacing $20 nozzles like AEG pistons if i could find one that would last 20k rounds. but then again im not planning to skirmish mine either, so it wouldn't be worth it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 (edited) Ra tech will do you a tool adjust NPAS set in aluminium for 60 bucks, thats the bolt (supplied along with the NPAS flute valve and adjustment key for the 60 bucks).  You fit that inside your stock plastic AGM nozzle shell and you fit the lot into your stock AGM bolt carrier  next stage up they'll do you that same tool adjust NPAS metal bolt set plus their own plastic nozzle shell for 80 bucks. You fit that complete assembly into your AGM bolt carrier. The nozzle on its plastic nozzle shell is an integral part of the plastic casting - so each time you break or deform the nozzle then you need to replace the whole pastic nozzle shell part as one 20 dollar piece.  next up the food chain from that one is their entire aluminium assembly - where both the tool adjust NPAS bolt set and the nozzle shell it fits into are metal. Thats the 150 bucks one - you take that assembly and you fit it into your AGM bolt carrier.  However the nozzle shell on that one isnt just a drect copy of the plastic version redone in aluminium, it also has additional facility of replaceable nozzles that you can unscrew from the nozzle shell - default nozzle supplied with it is plastic, while replacments are available in plastic or in aluminium (3 bucks for the plastic ones and 5 bucks a pop for the aluminium ones)  final stage up is exact same assembly as above supplied prefitted into their own steel RA-tech bolt carrier for 260 bucks Edited July 10, 2009 by snorkelman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stew_b_10 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 (edited) im talking RS bolt. which is what the guy was looking for im assuming since that's whats breaking.   2roy cylinder:    RA-tech nozzle:    AR-15 bolt    so i was calling those parts the bolt. Edited July 10, 2009 by stew_b_10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Downslide Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Snorkleman - Â is the aluminum assembly a drop in fit into the AGM Bolt carrier? or is there some "shoe-horning" that needs to be done? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 going by the RAT video the aluminium npas bolt will fit inside the AGM nozzle shell and then that combined sub assembly will pop inside the AGM bolt carrier  I dont recall there beign a vid where they've fitted the whole aluminium combo inside an AGM bolt carrier (may well be and Ive missed it) Ive only ran my aluminium set inside the RA-T bolt carrier they came with, so would be later on today before I could try that setup and fire off some rounds to confirm it works (is curently 4.20 am over here so I cant see the neighbours apreciating me trying it just now lol)    Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roecar Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 YEa I think RATech just dropped in a nozzle and cylinder "bolt" rather than the who bolt carrier group. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the hot tuna Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Is Gunner Airsoft reliable as far as shipping times and getting through US customs? I plan on ordering the AGM M4 and 4 mags, but I'd like to get them within 3 weeks. Â Â Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falconfour4 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 (edited) Just a couple of pics of my finished rifle, apart from the ambi selector that i am still waiting for. Edited July 10, 2009 by falconfour4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 had a go fitting the complete aluminium RA-T assembly (nozzle shell and npas bolt) into the AGM bolt carrier  the unit will fit in just fine and in its proper place the only problem is if you try and fit the aluminium RA-T side lock plate That has a groove in it designed to marry up with a rail that runs along side of the nozzle shell. When you try to insert it the groove on it doesn line up with the rail. Reason for that is cos the AGM bolt carrier has the hole cut for the locking plate placed approx .5mm further down the side of the bolt carrier than the RA-T one.  so if you want to fit a complete aluminium RAT assembly inside an AGM bolt carrier (instead of just an RA-tech npas inside an AGM nozzle shell inside an AGM bolt carrier) yuo'll need to:  A - use the AGM plastic side lock plate - its groove should be placed slightly higher to take acount of the plates higher position on an AGM carrier B - open up the groove on the RA-T side lock plate so it no longer fouls the side rail on th nozzle shell C - open up the side lock hole in the AGM bolt carrier by raising its top surface by 0.5mm  any one of those three should do the trick, just bear in mind that option two is going to allow a little rotational play in the nozzle shell on its guide groove, while option three is going to make the side lock a looser fit in the hole on the bolt carrier. If you're dead set on using the entirely aluminium unit in an AGM carrier then I'd go with options 1 or option two and avoid option 3  only problem here is Ive already given someone my plastic side lock plate so Im not in a position to fit the unit for test firing (and I dont want to go modding the groove on an aluminium side lock just to temporarily fit the stuff into an AGM bolt carrier, as Ive only got one spare aluminium side lock at the mo)  Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pedlar Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 (edited) Heres how my AGM has turned out now     Consisting of :  AGM M4 RAtech Vltor BCG with NPAS RAtech Metal Bolt Catch RAtech Hop & Barrel Assembly G&P Aluminium Recoil Buffer Magpul CTR Stock CASV-M Handguard Dytac 10.5" Barrel Assemvbly with Vltor Gas Block Dytac Surefire 556 Flashhider Troy Industries Rear Battle Site ACM FDE Acog with Bomber Larue Rail Mount Vanaras PEQ-15 ACM Larue FUG in FDE DD offset ligth mount with a Surefire M4.  Currently awaiting :  KA Vltor Metal Body ( Still awaiting for proper reveiews ) G&P Anti-rotation links RAtech Magic Front Pin Magpul ASAP Sling Plate Magpul MIAD in FDE Edited July 10, 2009 by Pedlar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roecar Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Quick question, are you guys buying your RATech stuff from their website or from another distributor? The RATech website gives the impression its wholesale only. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 direct from RAtech always have  not sure how you get impression its wholesale only? the prices listed are all retail and they even have address for their paypal account up on it  Where to buy  We accept PAYPAL. Contact us with E-mail with the item number and quanity and we will delivery the shipment with EMS. Shop more than $200, no charge for delivery.  not many wholesalers out there expecting any sub 200 dollar orders  contact address is ra_dot_ssh5915@msa_dot_hinet_dot_net replace the '_dot_ ' with '.'  just knock together a list of parts with part numbers qty of each and prices, total it up and send an email to them to confirm its all in stck and that you got your total correct, someone will genrally reply pretty quickly then just paypal them payment at that same email address.  As there isnt a lot of room in the paypal message facility to include a full list of what Im ordering I usually make up a unique order ref number in my original email message title (eg snorkelman9709), and include that same ref in the paypal message title so they can match the two up once payment is rec'd  all done and dusted   Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stew_b_10 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Pedlar: i like the CASV in general, but i dont like the ACOG. it seems out of place to me. Â Â falconfour: i dont like that you stole some of my parts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falconfour4 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Great minds think alike perhaps Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stew_b_10 Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 (edited) haha. not exactly, the end products are going to be quite different. Â edit: mine is going to keep its KAC SR-16 M4 roots, but with a nice little twist. Edited July 10, 2009 by stew_b_10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Luis21 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Hey Pedlar, how is the RA-Tech hop-up working for you? Do BBs roll out when the barrel is pointed down? Are you using the stock hop-up rubber? Â Very nice rifle BTW, I'd put the docter sight back on the ACOG if I was you. Â -Luis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DELTA Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 My AGM M4 RIS Â Cheers Luis21 for that mag mod, works a treat for all my mags! Â Just waiting on a metal hopup unit and new rubber to arrive to sort the accuracy out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sear Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 @Delta, Â Sweet looking gun you got there, does the acog lose it's zero when the gun is repeatedly fired? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DELTA Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 At the moment, im having issues with the hopup and its hard to actually take aimed shots. Plus its a red dot, but i havent noticed any movement in the cross so far. (KA RD cross style ACOG) Â Im hoping when my CNC Hop unit arrives plus a WA hop rubber i can sort it out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonny2400 Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 (edited) Has any one figured out a way to get the AGM mags to stop leaking yet? All of mine seem to lead from the top  Mine needs, a new hob, new bolt and the 4 mags I have all leak baldy and I have just decided I like the GGB favour of Airsoft However am going to bin my AGM, I was adding up the cost of parts to upgrade the AGM and It costs more than a Brand new WE Scar... So well I just ordered the SCAR. Edited July 11, 2009 by jonny2400 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DELTA Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 (edited) The last 20 odd mags we have got our way seem to all be fine, no leaks. Quality is improving. Â As far as i know if you have leaking mags you need to look at a G&P replacement o-ring kit for the WA. Â -The 061 is pretty bad, unless they have made more of them from the original release. My 061 is basically scrapped and im focusing on the 062 version i have now. Edited July 11, 2009 by DELTA Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Haba Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 can anyone(who actually owns the cnc'ed hop up unit from EBB) tell me which kind of barrel(aeg or gbb) and which hop up rubber it takes? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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