tome Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 If you had a m700 and wasn't satisfied with the performance then this will more than likely not satisfy you either given the comparison between existing Ares gas rifles vs existing Tanakas. Link to post Share on other sites
L4byr1nth Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 If you had an un-upgraded M700, sure. But then again, I doubt that many people skirmish with un-upgraded VSR's either. My point is, at least there ARE upgrades for a Tanaka M700 series system. Ben. Link to post Share on other sites
D-JHapyMeal Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Hes right. Either they still need to release upgrades for their guns, or their guns are compatable with other branches. Either way, I dunno what to think about ARES. What i DO know is that they sell STAR products for a lower price. But no, even thought its tempting, im not getting a ARES AW .338 Link to post Share on other sites
NeoVeNoM Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 No scope? Probabaly because they designed one then realised that it was *suitcase*. Edit: Oh wait, that can't be. Since when have Star witheld any product from the market because it was *suitcase*. Did you even own(ed) a STAR/ARES? Parts break on other brands too you know. What's with all this negativism lately.. Link to post Share on other sites
L85FREAK Posted June 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 I agree that there is a lot of negativity towards Ares especially. Maybe it's not Ares maybe it is the retailers you have distributing Ares products, mine is excellent, he can get me virtually any Ares product. And according to what I have heard Tanaka's guns are not the greatest guns in the world. To close they must be doing something right, they are still in business. Link to post Share on other sites
Punkypink Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Did you even own(ed) a STAR/ARES? Parts break on other brands too you know. What's with all this negativism lately.. I just need to see the video of their MAR's uselessness to never ever want one. Yes parts break on other brands, but not before you've even touched it. If they weren't so expensive, then they wouldn't be facing this much derision too. The derision comes from them selling something that badly designed and made for the prices they do. At that sort of price, expectations go up, and when expectations aren't met, what else happens except derision? Link to post Share on other sites
rws591 Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 So will the scope be as *suitcase*-y as the MAR on their TAR21? And will bits of the gun start falling off by itself before you even touch it? Maybe you could snipe with this gun when it decides to spit some bit of its insides out at high speeds towards yr target along with the BB? Please note, "Scope EXCLUDED!!!" I wonder why they are so happy they aren't including the scope. Link to post Share on other sites
Punkypink Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Please note, "Scope EXCLUDED!!!" I wonder why they are so happy they aren't including the scope. I know it isn't included. They're happy cuz thats less cost to them? Or maybe because thats one less lousy stock item to appear on their guns, which they hope will get them less hated. Link to post Share on other sites
malavern Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 from My personal experience, i've found that ARES stuff are really well QCed before they are released. Though i cant say the same about STAR. Yes i do know they are the same company... big difference is that ARES has a proper QC team, dedicated to makign high end stuff, whereas STAR is well... STAR... Link to post Share on other sites
Punkypink Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Oh you mean well QCed like the MAR sights on the ARES TAR21? Link to post Share on other sites
tome Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 It's not the QC that's the problem with the MARS. It's the actual design...... which i suppose is a bit of a bigger problem Link to post Share on other sites
Stuey Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 Also, I don't know why all you people suddenly respect the magical 'ARES' for slapping a huge price tag on what are essentially *suitcase* STAR guns, with the no customer support, no aftermarket parts support, bits falling off, poorly casted parts, etc. Ben. Um, it's kinda the other way round. ARES are the OEM, STAR have been slapping huge prices on ARES stuff. Apparently ARES realised what a bad job STAR were doing with their stuff so decided to sell it themselves. ARESUSA is a user on this very board the he (I assume he) said they offer full spare part support for most of their guns. They have also withdrawn a gun (M60?) until they've fixed all the issues with it. Link to post Share on other sites
Punkypink Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 It's not the QC that's the problem with the MARS. It's the actual design...... which i suppose is a bit of a bigger problem So what does QC do? Make sure all the sights are equally bad? Man... to sell something that badly designed... for that sort of price... Link to post Share on other sites
NeoVeNoM Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 I just need to see the video of their MAR's uselessness to never ever want one. Yes parts break on other brands, but not before you've even touched it. If they weren't so expensive, then they wouldn't be facing this much derision too. The derision comes from them selling something that badly designed and made for the prices they do. At that sort of price, expectations go up, and when expectations aren't met, what else happens except derision? Coming from someone who never owned a single piece of STAR/ARES products. What valuable info. Link to post Share on other sites
Punkypink Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 Coming from someone who never owned a single piece of STAR/ARES products. What valuable info. Well, you get people who talk about how nice STAR/ARES products are right? Somebody's signature says "Challenge Everything". Ok, since I don't qualify to talk about STAR/ARES products because I choose not to waste my money, let me go get Guzzihero Link to post Share on other sites
GuzziHero Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 STAR are pants. I am Chris GuzziHero and I approve this message. --- In more depth. STAR SLR. Cocking handle broke off, wiring sheathing jumps off the wiring, poor design and no manual = a broken nozzle (luckily I got a replacement), and the selector plate broke before I even fired it, resulting in having no safety catch. And I've only used it once... Their material quality is absolutely dire. Link to post Share on other sites
L4byr1nth Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 Um, it's kinda the other way round. ARES are the OEM, STAR have been slapping huge prices on ARES stuff. Apparently ARES realised what a bad job STAR were doing with their stuff so decided to sell it themselves. ARESUSA is a user on this very board the he (I assume he) said they offer full spare part support for most of their guns. They have also withdrawn a gun (M60?) until they've fixed all the issues with it. Errr have you seen the price of that CheyTac, and the AMP DSR-1 thing? Ben. Link to post Share on other sites
docs90 Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 Yes and i played with the 4o8 , and 10 mins after the guy handed the £1250 over guess what the stock snapped when trying to remove it Needless to say he was Pi**ed Link to post Share on other sites
L4byr1nth Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 I mean come on... Who would buy one for that amount of money, KNOWING that STAR were somehow involved? Fair enough if the guy didn't know. But Ben. Link to post Share on other sites
NeoVeNoM Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 Well, you get people who talk about how nice STAR/ARES products are right? Somebody's signature says "Challenge Everything". Ok, since I don't qualify to talk about STAR/ARES products because I choose not to waste my money, let me go get Guzzihero Well their G36 series never let me down. period. And I am by far, not the only one. Ok the MARS of TAVOR is a let down, but the rest of the rifle is very good, especially the finish of the body and the gearbox. My H-unit was not the best, but just dissassembled it, reassembled it and poof 40meters down range. And yes I Challenge Everything, I don't see the purpose of hiding behind someone else. Guzzi, couple of my mates had the same with a CA, a G&G and a KA and even.... (utter silence) a Systema. (no way!) So yes in your POV STAR is terrible. But you tend to break things easily.. . just kiddin' Regarding the prices Ben, Imagine if they were released by star. Link to post Share on other sites
Punkypink Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 And yes I Challenge Everything, I don't see the purpose of hiding behind someone else. Well I stood out to challenge it myself but some snob shot a snide remark at me and insinuated that im not qualified to challenge. Now he claims I hide behind others. No pleasing some people is here? Link to post Share on other sites
L4byr1nth Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 My H-unit was not the best, but just dissassembled it, reassembled it and poof 40meters down range. The sad thing is, you don't realise that 40 metres is bad Ben. Link to post Share on other sites
GuzziHero Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 What have I broken of CA? Um...a gearbox shell. TM? Nothing. ICS? Nothing. Not saying that they are bulletbroof, but so many faults with one gun is just ridiculous. Only DBoys in my opinion matches them for dodgy materials quality. Link to post Share on other sites
NeoVeNoM Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Well I stood out to challenge it myself but some snob shot a snide remark at me and insinuated that im not qualified to challenge. Now he claims I hide behind others. No pleasing some people is here? You should become a politician, really. go pull someone elses leg for all I care I am done here. Ben, I could not track it any further, since at 40 meters there is a tree line in my garden Link to post Share on other sites
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