redline Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Redline, Go here. Gettting the valve locktited down - full walkthrough with pics. Wikipost. ROTTO ROTTO, thanks for the link! I'm not sure whether I have those issues yet, but better safge than sorry! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
newcomer Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) Ok, I see. Thats just the result of a sucko hop unit. Made worse by constant "wetting" from the gas mixture. GBB rifles run dirty, no way around it. Cant wait for CO2. It isnt clean like HPA, but will be better than propane gas and silicone. And we will see if TS Ones new hopup is any good. Has to be better. Yup renegadecow said it all. Spot on on the half moon scar thing. I believe that's the major cause for the erratic flights. I'm using dry propane too. I don't think it's the hop rubber that's hurting the bbs since it's well... rubber. I would say the nozzle tip is the main culprit. Perhaps a brass nozzle lined with a softer material would work better? The nozzle rounding technique won't work, the brass tip works just too fast and hard on the relatively soft bbs. I get about 1 shot totally lacking power in about 6-7 shots too. I'm suspecting my bolt valve seals are dry and "sticky"? Edited March 18, 2009 by newcomer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) My charging handle also has come to its eventful end last week despite being uber careful when racking. I was told by a local airsmith to just glue it back together with steel filled epoxy as it did wonders with theirs. I tried it and about 3 mags and over 50 racks later it broke again. It seems the epoxy just isn't enough so I drilled out a long narrow hole, filled it with more epoxy and inserted a thin screw with the head nearer the handle as an anchor. Its worked for a week now and over 500 rounds fired. Hopefully this holds well enough until the reinforced handle comes out as none of the stores that have real steel handles seem to ship to my location. green=epoxy; blue=screw; red=fracture The rounded recess at the end is for the carrier key. Clean and roughen surfaces to be bonded before applying adhesive. Edited March 18, 2009 by renegadecow Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Airsoft Buddy Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 I've took some photos tonight about the steel nozzle assembly for WE Gas Blow Back M4. Actually this kit have 2 powers for you to choose. 300fps version and 480fps version. Only the nozzle made in steel. Please refer to the following link for both power versions. http://picasaweb.google.com/kcyauwil/Steel...EGasBlowBackM4# And these 2 items are now available at our store now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 when do you expect the new barrels? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Carsten Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 the steel nozzles @ AB are not those announced by TS One, am I right?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 no, they're the same part. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Carsten Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 uh, ok.. I was wondering because they're available on AB while on TS One you still can read "coming soon" .. TS One Steel Nozzle vs AB Steel Nozzle color difference? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shriven Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Just looks like lighting differences to me. Would it be worth putting this on the regular WE M4, does the brass one deform? And WETTI: Could you explain what the AFC v2 is, what upgrades, etc are in it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lughnasadhuk Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Are all the ordering issues with AB resloved now? Airsoft buddy would you like to comment? I would really like to order 2 - 3 items from you but I heard there were some issues with communication and delayed shipping. I never heard if there was any resolution. I am not trying to muddy your name as I have the utmost respect for the support and information you have provided to this thread and this gun but I would like to know my parts would arrive in a timely fashion without worrying if I should have ordered from elsewhere. Regards, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Carsten Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 mh, good question since a good friend of mine wants to buy one WE M4 and I need some spare parts (and the steel nozzles ) for myself.. ..until those problems with AB began I'd would have told my friend to buy only @ AB and nowhere else because of the good service ( I bought my own M4 @ AB ) .. now I'm not quite sure :/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yehaw Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 are the new rifles already equipped with the steel nozzle and new Hopup/barrel ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vila Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 The new design hop-up with barrel is now available to comes with all the WE GBB M4. For standalone item, then we may need a bit while. I think mine may be one of first with this new hop up as my shots are firing nice and straight up to almost 200ft with .25g BB's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shriven Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 What model did you buy? Is this AFC Ver2 the latest model? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 the new barrels havent been released yet. the steel nozzle is an upgrade (like the aluminum bolt) TS one just havent received their nozzles yet(remember that AB is WE's #1 store front) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vila Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 I bought the AFC version from AB. Like I mentioned, I'd assume its a version 2 (or would it be be a version 3, since the version 2 introduced the steel bolt catch?) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) nah, there really isnt any straight up versions. they have gone through many little changes material wase. right now, the AFC custom "version 2" has a steel bot catch, 350fps nozzle and trades. those were the voiced changes. when the barrel and reinforced charging handle come out, that will be the "version 3" Edited March 18, 2009 by Horsem4n Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shriven Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 There should be some sort of "wiki" that should include that information. HINT. HINT. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rottenotto Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) Yup renegadecow said it all. Spot on on the half moon scar thing. I believe that's the major cause for the erratic flights. I'm using dry propane too. I don't think it's the hop rubber that's hurting the bbs since it's well... rubber. I would say the nozzle tip is the main culprit. Perhaps a brass nozzle lined with a softer material would work better? The nozzle rounding technique won't work, the brass tip works just too fast and hard on the relatively soft bbs. I get about 1 shot totally lacking power in about 6-7 shots too. I'm suspecting my bolt valve seals are dry and "sticky"? Absolutely not even possible. There is a huge difference between this Escort copy loading nozzle (blunt/thick/brass) and say, a KSC Mac-11, or Pegasus loading nozzle (thin/razor sharp/aluminum). This loading nozzle isnt scarring bb's. It couldnt. It would smash it to pieces before scarring it. (which I have proven) Just look at your loading nozzle, it is wide and blunt. Nothing like most other gas systems/nozzles. The erratic flight is >mostly< the cause of a craptastic hopup design. Well documented and the reason TS-one/WE is trying to do something better. New slightly better hopup design coming soon. Everything about the PRESENT hopup sucks. The material is the wrong durometer, especially for a gun firing 500 fps (!!) It is grippy, inconsistent silicone (not rubber). Also its shape sucks.....it is a tiny "microdot" that touches the bb. Rather than a speedbump shaped AEG style hop. The bb will either touch the "dot" head on (2% of the time) or go left and right of it - creating "hook". Take that and make it worse by a dirty and wet (even with NO silicone added) propulsion system. GBB rifles will never be as accurate as an AEG, especially on full auto. Thats life. The thrill of blowback and noise overides the negatives. But still, inconsistency remains as the one reason why "GBB rifles" hve been more "collector pieces" than "tools in the field". This gun is the best yet, but far from perfect. We are all working on it, Edited March 18, 2009 by rottenotto Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) just so you have Mr. info right, WE is responsable for the new hop up, not TS One. TS One even put it under the WE parts section. Edited March 18, 2009 by Horsem4n Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rottenotto Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 ^ noted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
accuracy Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Take that and make it worse by a dirty and wet (even with NO silicone added) propulsion system. GBB rifles will never be as accurate as an AEG, especially on full auto. Thats life. The thrill of blowback and noise overides the negatives. But still, inconsistency remains as the one reason why "GBB rifles" hve been more "collector pieces" than "tools in the field". This gun is the best yet, but far from perfect. We are all working on it, unless you hook up a compressed air rig. no cool down, no liquids. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Question for William/AB: With the Steel nozzle, is part 42 (the valve inside the nozzle) also made of steel? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) I've took some photos tonight about the steel nozzle assembly for WE Gas Blow Back M4. Actually this kit have 2 powers for you to choose. 300fps version and 480fps version. Only the nozzle made in steel. Please refer to the following link for both power versions. http://picasaweb.google.com/kcyauwil/Steel...EGasBlowBackM4# And these 2 items are now available at our store now. no, just the nozzle itself. Edited March 18, 2009 by Horsem4n Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Oh well, one can dream. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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