bbstriker Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 WETTI Do you have any news on what WE plan to do to improve the build quality of the WE M4 GBB Gas magazines? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skyflash Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 ... Now, back to the point of discussion.... I just came back from a friend's (3rd party manufacturer) workshop witnessing 1st hand the prototype conversion of our AWSS system into accommodating the regular AEG barrels & hop up. I hope this is of some interest to you all... I was surely amazed.... Well that's the news of the day for me ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1st Commando Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 what have you found wrong with them ? Renegade Cow - Do you have a tutorial on modding the hop rubber mate ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Didn't really mod the existing rubber but replaced it. Tutorial over here, but again, if you just want one, shoot me a PM. http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/inde...411&st=3820 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rottenotto Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 I think (if I'm getting you, Ott.) he means a nozzle with some sort of spring to compress it when loading. Not sure how/if it would would myself, though. Fancypants illustrations, please. I don't really see a way to get a modern GBB pistol loading nozzle without completely redesigning the hop up/feeding unit area and modifying the magazine. Ugh,.... No,....Im not saying mate a "pistol part" with the WE! I linked to the NAME "loading muzzle" to illustrate that it is indeed what this part ("nozzle") is actually called in any gas blowback design. THANK YOU CHRIS for understanding what I meant. ("buffer the nozzle tip with a spring" - why not?? Western Arms does it already) I spent 9 years of of my life giving quality thought to this problem in GBB design if you include my old SHOEIS - the loading system knocking the bb too far down the breech. The >only< reason I stay with the WE platform is because they smartly put the nozzle at the end of a long rod - the delayed loading. If you owned older escort guns this "next advance" in design is like "inventing the wheel" its so big. The gun is 95% there. It just needs to 'cross pollinate' a few other existing GBB tweaks and designs and it will be the first skirmishable >full size< GBB rifle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wraithxt1 Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 I spent 9 years of of my life giving quality thought to this problem in GBB design if you include my old SHOEIS - the loading system knocking the bb too far down the breech. The >only< reason I stay with the WE platform is because they smartly put the nozzle at the end of a long rod - the delayed loading. If you owned older escort guns this "next advance" in design is like "inventing the wheel" its so big. Otto is right guys. I've owned FOUR Escort powered weapons over the past 5 years and all of them had the same three issues. Accuracy, bb's rolling out, and the hop sending them to the sky. Not to mention the constant reliability issues. It wasnt an issue with one, it was an issue with the entire system. I can vouch for the massive, massive advance the one part is for the system. I still preffer external gas, but I doubt that will ever happen on this system so I'll cross my fingers that the CO2 mags/gun will get rid of some of the venting and cooldown issues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rottenotto Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 ^ Thank You Wraith. Really guys, I want to perfect this gun like you all. Its a good, good platform. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
[BS]_MARS Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Has any of this accounting for manufacturing tolerances? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leejinwen Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Just punch the top left pin (when your barrel points to the left of your hand) . replace it with a pin that comes in the package. I have one on mine. what crane stock is that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lukvdh Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 About the CO2 version: I see it is available. Can someone ("WETTI" prefered ) tell what we need to adapt our rifle. Where 'we' is: owners of older generation of WE M4 Gbb. What internal parts need to be replaced? Are the new parts available yet? Will AB sell them? Will the other 'worldwide representatives' have the parts 'soon'? How much BBs can be fired per CO2 cartridge? And: Anyone has this CO2 already? First impression? Pros and cons? Thanks in advance! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
somegirls Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 New frrrontsight. From ebaybanned, $18. Die opening for the gastube is a tad too narrow but overall it's pretty sweet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chevieblazer Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 I see it is available. Where? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Involved6 Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 (edited) ^ I second this question. I have had a pre-order into Horizon Tactical for 10 days, and they haven't even changed the status from Pre-Order, let alone shipped, or called it "available" EDIT: Yes, I know the "official" release date was the 29th/30th Edited May 2, 2009 by Involved6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Midma Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Hi, Do you know if this selector will suit a M4 WE? Thanks, Midma Quote Link to post Share on other sites
somegirls Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 I don'T know about that one, but horizon sells a ambi selector switch for the WE M4 at $45. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Midma Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 I prefer suit real stuff. Midma Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Carsten Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 I asked the same some time ago but no answer yet whether a RS safety selector will fit or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FallenGuard Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 (edited) Gotta issue a warning against using Blaster Devil.28 BBs. My new WE M4 kept shredding them for some reason, then jamming as the nozzle couldn't clear jammed BB fragments from the Hop. Didn't have the prob with Excel Xtreme .28, so I guess the Devils are no good for the WE... Edited May 2, 2009 by FallenGuard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris u'5 Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 I prefer suit real stuff. Midma Erm...how much more real do you want? The Norgon ambi mag catch at Horizon Tactical is designed for 'real' AR-15s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Major Dutch Schaeffer Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Huh... Isn't he looking for an ambi SELECTOR? As far as I remember, selectors are restricted parts in the US and most other countries, as they are "active" weapon parts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Midma Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Yep, it's a selector I'm searching. Major: not forbidden for our country. Midma Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redline Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 ^ I second this question. I have had a pre-order into Horizon Tactical for 10 days, and they haven't even changed the status from Pre-Order, let alone shipped, or called it "available" EDIT: Yes, I know the "official" release date was the 29th/30th I pre-ordered a bunch of them from Horizon as soon as it became available to pre-order (how long ago was that? 2-months ago?). I hope I'll get them soon. Its frustrating... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redline Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Question: So if they are officialy "released" already? How come no one has one yet? P.S....same question that numerous people have asked, numerous times... How are we supposed to use the C02 magazines, when they don't sell the necessary internal parts to use them? Kinda like selling people cars without the wheel, no? Can AB, WETTI or Horizon Tactical answer this for us please? Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Major Dutch Schaeffer Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 (edited) Midma: I talked with a friend which is a long time shooter, and he said full auto selectors should be forbidden here, as it changes weapon category (I think from 4th category to 1st?). BTW can't wait for the "soon-to-be-announced" very exciting news Edited May 2, 2009 by Major Dutch Schaeffer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4boost Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 (edited) Midma: I talked with a friend which is a long time shooter, and he said full auto selectors should be forbidden here, as it changes weapon category (I think from 4th category to 1st?). BTW can't wait for the "soon-to-be-announced" very exciting news By "selector" you should mean sear... From what I've been told by WETTI, all that is needed for the conversion to CO2 is a revised part #111/112 and the new locking loading nozzle which is currently not available due to the fact that they are currently having trouble meeting demand for the CO2 rifles. Hence, no spares... I don't see why you couldn't just use the CO2 mags in the mean time. As far as I know, the "conversion" just makes more efficient use of the CO2 mags. Edited May 2, 2009 by 4boost Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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