renegadecow Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 (edited) 12 gram, the ones that cost about $1 ea, half that in some places and if in bulk. Am I the only person still getting marks on BB"s when the bolt pushes the bb into the chamber? You and another guy (can't remember who exactly). Looks to be an isolated case. Find a mate with a working M4 and swap parts with him to see exactly what part in your gun is doing the damage. On the bright side, at least you're not the guy who's magazine exploded. I've counted two globally (disregarding the guy who pumped CO2 in his) one in Thailand and one here in the Philippines, only the guy here had it on his vest when it blew up. Edited May 14, 2009 by renegadecow Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Since u have built a full rifle as well as purchased it stock woudln't having an option to buy just the skeleton appeal to you? If WETTI came out with skeleton CO2 GBB that addresses all the issues u have with it and was cheaper than the stock version; and you had plans to customise it; would u honestly buy the full veresion or the Skeletal one? Hmm...good question. That's actually hard for me to answer because of my personal opinion. I guess it would depend on the price difference between the full version and the stripped down version as well as what the stripped down version consisted of. Honestly the way i see the price, you ARE buying the "skeleton" parts needed to run the gun and pretty much getting the other stuff for free. Stocks, pistol grips, carry handle and fore grips really don't cost much to make and at $360 for a full metal GBB rifle that's hella cheap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chevieblazer Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Hi Wetti, any intel on how long (how many 30 round mags) a CO2 capsule lasts? Cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Hi Wetti, any intel on how long (how many 30 round mags) a CO2 capsule lasts? Cheers Count for yourself... http://www.weairsoft.com/video_view.php?video_id=10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Net Ronin Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 12 gram, the ones that cost about $1 ea, half that in some places and if in bulk. You and another guy (can't remember who exactly). Looks to be an isolated case. Find a mate with a working M4 and swap parts with him to see exactly what part in your gun is doing the damage. On the bright side, at least you're not the guy who's magazine exploded. I've counted two globally (disregarding the guy who pumped CO2 in his) one in Thailand and one here in the Philippines, only the guy here had it on his vest when it blew up. If that referred to me. I had only R22 in my magazine. But the temp was high. Magazine wall is so thin to handle CO2 anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rottenotto Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Hi Wetti, any intel on how long (how many 30 round mags) a CO2 capsule lasts? Cheers realistically? One. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 realistically? One. Yup. I used my KWC Mini UZI for the first time on the field, in the rain and at 55*F no less. Mags themselves weigh a ton and I was carrying spare CO2 bulbs as well. It was reliable. Basically yeah, even though it fires nearly 50 rounds per CO2 bulb I change out after my 40 is up. Propane is a lot better as you can half load and then just recharge. The guys with me had their WE M4 and it seems to work ok, though FPS was no where as high as the Mini UZI. Whats the coldest anyone here has used their WE M4? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rottenotto Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 ^ didnt you say you had a brass nozzle for me to buy? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bbstriker Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Yup. I used my KWC Mini UZI for the first time on the field, in the rain and at 55*F no less. Mags themselves weigh a ton and I was carrying spare CO2 bulbs as well. It was reliable. Basically yeah, even though it fires nearly 50 rounds per CO2 bulb I change out after my 40 is up. Propane is a lot better as you can half load and then just recharge. The guys with me had their WE M4 and it seems to work ok, though FPS was no where as high as the Mini UZI. Whats the coldest anyone here has used their WE M4? I used my WE GBB (AFC version) at 12 celcius. I hit a few opfor but firing every one/ two seconds. Full auto at that temp was not really an option. I'm OK with one CO2 capsule per mag since I only attend milsim events. I've used my WE at two milsim events and I got the hight hit count (on the opfor!) than the other guys in my squad as a result of much more careful aiming and the good range and accuracy of my WE M4. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lupus78 Posted May 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 (edited) Whats the coldest anyone here has used their WE M4? I've used the WE M4 successfully in around 4 degrees Celcius (~39 Fahrenheit). I did not use full-auto and semi was then really sluggish, a bit like HFC134a normally. Gun fed and cycled quite fine, but did not lock back when empty. The power was around 400fps with the 480fps nozzle. I believe that's about the minimum temperature you can even think of using regular gas magazines. I'll definitely get those CO2 mags for the next winter. Interesting to see how they perform. Usually a lot better than regular gas. Edited May 14, 2009 by Lupus78 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marky [UE] Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 (edited) Since a single CO2 bulb appears to realistically manage about 40 to 50 rounds I will be forced to change the bulb every 30 shots to ensure a full mag can be fired. It might be an idea to have the CO2 mag capable of storing and firing say 45 i.e. the maximum number of shots a single CO2 bulb can offer with the ability to lock it at 30 if required. This might be done by some kind of switch controlling the spring or bb chamber length in use (I think something similar was done on the new blowback TM M4). That way standard airsoft players get more use and more rounds for less carry weight but training/mil-sim get 30 rounds true. Edited May 14, 2009 by Marky [UE] Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lupus78 Posted May 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I'm also in favour for ~45 round CO2 mags. That really would be a good idea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eliminator Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Count for yourself... http://www.weairsoft.com/video_view.php?video_id=10 Maximum 55rounds Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chevieblazer Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 That's the 500fps setting. I'd assume it consumes a lot more gas than a 350 or 400 fps setting we'd realistically see on the field. I guess we're talking ~2-3 magazines per cartrige. I'm taking propane out because I really don't feel like hauling a propane tank to every game for logistical reasons So: Co2: +More consistent output +more winter reliable -more expensive -many sites might complain about a CO2 power source Gas: +cheaper +no CO2- argument, BUT... - ...many sites with fps limits might have trouble chroning the gun because of wild FPS-fluctuations ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
somegirls Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 The 350 fps config will just take as much gas/co2 as the 500fps will. The only thing that differs is the relation of of gas directed forward/backwards. And when you have a wide range of of fps readings there's something messed up. Can happen to the Co2 system as well. The only advantage I see pro Co2 is the workability in colder days. That's it. It's more epensive, you need to get a new nozzle kit (again) and changing the cartriges takes quite some time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
newcomer Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Thanks for the vid WETTI. The gun fires great but am I noticing a sluggish ROF on the first and last 2-3shots? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chevieblazer Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 And when you have a wide range of of fps readings there's something messed up. Can happen to the Co2 system as well. Well, that's what I posted a few pages back. I chronoed my friend's gun, and it kept jumping between ~270 and ~470, It's an AWSS V2 (or V3, if they don't come with chrome barrels), pretty much out of the box The only advantage I see pro Co2 is the workability in colder days. That's it. It's more epensive, you need to get a new nozzle kit (again) and changing the cartriges takes quite some time. I'm personally waiting for the CO2 Rifle, so an upgrade kit is not the question. The question for me is wether to get CO2 or gas mags. And if gas is that inconsistent, you'd likely not get permitted to use it by most sites (Gambit comes to mind ) What is the usual FPS margin on WEs in the standard out-of-the-box setting for V2 and V3s? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
somegirls Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 (edited) I shortened my innerbarrel to CBQ lenght (I think it is 9,5") and with a half charged magazin I get 400-420 fps with 0,20s. Edited May 14, 2009 by somegirls Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chevieblazer Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 That's pretty consistant, ok Quote Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 On semi (28°C, full charge propane, .25g ICS bbs) mine read a first shot 420+fps, followed by 410, then around 4~5 more shots after were lingering at 390fps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rottenotto Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Well, that's what I posted a few pages back. I chronoed my friend's gun, and it kept jumping between ~270 and ~470, It's an AWSS V2 (or V3, if they don't come with chrome barrels), pretty much out of the box There are MANY people complaining of this and I have now witnessed it myself with a gen3 rifle. 500fps first shot, then the next pull, the bb just leaves the barrel, arcing to the ground after 25 feet!!! The next shot somewhere in the middle but NOWHERE near 500fps. Then a STRONG powerful shot. Then again, 100fps, just making 20 feet before hitting the ground. FPS all over the place, .......something is up with the new valves or nozzle, or ?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redline Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 hmmm...are the inconsitencies normal with all GBBs? Do the WA or G&Ps suffer from the same issues? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 hmmm...are the inconsitencies normal with all GBBs? Do the WA or G&Ps suffer from the same issues? No. Most WAs and G&Ps are GTG out of the box. The lemon probability is considerably lower compared to the WE. The G&Ps may have one or two parts that are recommended to be upgraded (bolt/bolt carrier and bolt lock), but other than that, they're surprisingly reliable and accurate. Plus with the new GHK mags costing less than half the price of the WA's and being much more reliable than the stock WA mags, the G&Ps have enticed more and more prospective buyers. You still can't beat the WE though when it comes to weight of mags. The WA mags are painfully heavy, comparable in weight to a full RS mag ... except with RS mags, the get lighter whereas WA mags stay the same weight. The new RATech WA/G&P/INO/Prime NPAS bolts are pretty awesome though. You can adjust the FPS simply using a specialized key. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 You can adjust the FPS simply using a specialized key. yeah...no dental tools required Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chevieblazer Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 No. Most WAs and G&Ps are GTG out of the box. The lemon probability is considerably lower compared to the WE. The G&Ps may have one or two parts that are recommended to be upgraded (bolt/bolt carrier and bolt lock), but other than that, they're surprisingly reliable and accurate. Plus with the new GHK mags costing less than half the price of the WA's and being much more reliable than the stock WA mags, the G&Ps have enticed more and more prospective buyers. You still can't beat the WE though when it comes to weight of mags. The WA mags are painfully heavy, comparable in weight to a full RS mag ... except with RS mags, the get lighter whereas WA mags stay the same weight. The new RATech WA/G&P/INO/Prime NPAS bolts are pretty awesome though. You can adjust the FPS simply using a specialized key. Well, back in 05' 06, when I was deciding on a new AEG, it was ICS vs CA, with 50% recommendations aagainst the one or the other. In the end, when I went stateside, I decided to go G&P, which is still running and the most reliable AEG I've seen. These days it's WE vs WA, and I'm thinking about going G&P again. Only problem is, G&P is not available in Germany. But then, if the new law prohibits Airsoft Guns in germany, it's one point I won't have to worry about anymore... btw, you can't beat the WE pricing also Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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