sioux Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Well, it seems that I'm becoming part of that annoyed crowd. Slightly ridiculous though, if you think that I paid $300 for the gun, and ended up with a piece of professional advice telling me: "glue it!" Bah, I'll do it anyway until I find a proper replacement. >.< Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kullwarrior Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Well, it seems that I'm becoming part of that annoyed crowd. Slightly ridiculous though, if you think that I paid $300 for the gun, and ended up with a piece of professional advice telling me: "glue it!" Bah, I'll do it anyway until I find a proper replacement. >.< $300 gun and tell you glue it...big suprrise most GBB cost $500-$1000 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sioux Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 i wasn't talking CAD Anyways, case closed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
freon Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 I started my interest in GBBs with a WE but quickly sold it due to reliability problems. (I had a gen 1 that I upgraded to gen 2 AWSS) Now I'm hearing that the new open bolt stuff is pretty good. I've got a few questions regarding this that I'm curious to learn about. I'm contemplating getting an HK 416 from WE but I need to know some details first. do their new magazines still leak? have they changed their hopup from the old ball-bearing design to a new design? What kind of barrels do the new open-bolt WE guns use? how reliable is the bolt-stop mechanism now? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reppyboyo Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 1) The 30rd mags design hasnt changed but they seem to leak less OOTB. Easy to fix though. 2) Its now a VSR/Marui GBB type. 3) VSR/GBB barrels 4) Reliable in my G39 and L85. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordElpus Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 All GBBR mags of all makes leak from time to time, just need to make sure that you keep the o rings lubed. My G39 mags leaked after the first use, put some green in them whilst not in use and kept topping them up and they just stopped leaking on their own. Several fellow skirimishers at the F&O midlands sites have experianced similar things with WE GBBR mags. Â 1. OB and CB mags are the same bar the feed lips IFAIK. 2. OB Hopup uses a VSR rubber. It's a very good hopup system. 3. VSR compatable barrels should fit. Falcon do a range of tightbore barrels for the WE OB guns (Ehobby) as well as a very nice double point rubber. 4. No M4 based experiance. No issues with G39 unless it's running very cold. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 Actually the falcon barrels mentioned above on eHobby are closed bolt design. I got burnt recently on purchasing one of those thinking it was for the OB. RA-Tech do some but I heard they weren't that good. However a new company called Angry Gun are now making OB WE barrels, I will try one of those out in the near future. Â 1. No problems with my M4 style gas mags. 2. See above. 3. See above. 4. M4 bolt catch reliability is still so and so... G39 was good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rvlyssup Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 (edited) how reliable is the bolt-stop mechanism now? Just to add my .02; It eventually fails to lock as the pot metal BCG is an issue. If you switch to a RAT Bolt Carrier, lock back is strong, always works, & should last a lot longer. (for me at least) But eventually, the cheap soft steel bolt catch will still wear down as the RAT BC is made from a much stronger material. The good news is that another member on GGI is making RS quality trigger & BCG parts here in the U.S. I hope to prototype some parts sometime early next year. Edited December 27, 2011 by rvlyssup 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vilerk Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 3) VSR/GBB barrels  For my friend's G39, I had to file an extra set of notches for a Prometheus VSR TB to fit. I'm pretty sure WE OB barrels have two pairs of locking notches on them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
intinerious Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 For my friend's G39, I had to file an extra set of notches for a Prometheus VSR TB to fit. I'm pretty sure WE OB barrels have two pairs of locking notches on them. Â Out of curiosity, why didn't you file down the notches on the hop up itself? By filing notches on the barrel itself would lead to a bigger risk of damaging the consistency of the barrel right? Or would it no affect it at all? Â Given that the notches are to make sure the barrel is aligned correctly; 1 less set of notches isn't really going to make much of a difference in my mind as long as you screw down tight the two hop up chamber halves. If they don't screw down tight (i.e. with thicker buckings like the nineball) then some threadlock might do the trick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mnmc10 Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 the extra notches mates to the hop assembly and has nothing to do with the hop rubber. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
intinerious Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 the extra notches mates to the hop assembly and has nothing to do with the hop rubber. Â What? Are you replying to my post above? I mean with thicker buckings generally the hop up halves don't seal well compared to thinner buckings; threadlocking down the screw that holds the halves together ensures the hop up halves mesh together well; thus leading to the notches inside the hop up chamber holding the barrel in place securely. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Break100 Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 just install an open bolt WE M16 VN Mag into my m4 close bolt. Need a slight modification to fit in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kullwarrior Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Â Â Apparently my gun can fire full auto on semi. Â The range of the full auto shots on semi are just as good indicate the disconnector did properly engage the hammer before hammer drop again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waffelcopter Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Does anyone know if there are any body kits out there other than the very expensive Prime kit, a JP rifles one in particular would be awesome? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rvlyssup Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Does anyone know if there are any body kits out there other than the very expensive Prime kit, a JP rifles one in particular would be awesome? The only one I have seen that is actually in-stock at 1/2 price of a Prime body:http://www.airsoftglobal.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=570_574&products_id=14493 Â If you just want trades on your rifle, get a lower from Airsoft Buddy. Its like $50.00 or $60.00 shipped. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
huntER_HuntED Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Hi guys, just wanted to knows is this a RA-Tech NPAS installed here? Brought a WE M4 CQBR (CB) today and didnt get much extra info! I can take more pics if required! Â Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reppyboyo Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Doesn't look like it. (Cant see the adjustment part). Â Long time since Ive seen a closed bolt tbh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grindstone Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 In the 2nd pic, there's threading on the end of the valve. Could that indicate it's an NPAS? I guess a more practical way to figure it out would be to stick a hex wrench down the nozzle and see if it turns anything...? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Pic 2 looks an awful lot lite an NPAS but I don't have any experience with the closed bolt plattform... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
huntER_HuntED Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Cheers guys. Â @grindstone there defiantly is threading and I can defiantly move it up/down. I've ordered a NPAS tool anyway so we'll see if that does anything! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Theoutlier Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 (edited) hey guys I too am the owner of we m4, after 1000 or so rounds- it seems to still operate fine, However the only part that i always have the problem with is The BOLT STOP. it seems to be taking alot of damages from the stock bolts to the pont its splitting up!!! (slightly).  Im so scared of how worse it would get once i get the RAtech Steel carrier  is there any mod to decrease the impact between the catch and the carrier? (besides not using the function ofcourse )   and in your experience, what other major parts would break first? (im talking abt nozzle/trigger group parts) Im having a milsim events in the few weeks so i wanna stock up on spares Edited January 7, 2012 by Theoutlier Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kullwarrior Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 hey guys I too am the owner of we m4, after 1000 or so rounds- it seems to still operate fine, However the only part that i always have the problem with is The BOLT STOP. it seems to be taking alot of damages from the stock bolts to the pont its splitting up!!! (slightly).  Im so scared of how worse it would get once i get the RAtech Steel carrier  is there any mod to decrease the impact between the catch and the carrier? (besides not using the function ofcourse )   and in your experience, what other major parts would break first? (im talking abt nozzle/trigger group parts) Im having a milsim events in the few weeks so i wanna stock up on spares  Are you running AWSS brass tube? Bolt Catch wearing out is of AWSS issue, I run Open-Chamber w/ RA-Tech steel bolt no problem. If anything I suggest you buy AEG shim, and put 0.1-0.15mm between the bolt catch. That is probably the main problem  Open-Chamber the #1 replacement part you should have is front nozzle section. But for practical change in field, get the whole nozzle assembly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Theoutlier Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Are you running AWSS brass tube? Bolt Catch wearing out is of AWSS issue, I run Open-Chamber w/ RA-Tech steel bolt no problem. If anything I suggest you buy AEG shim, and put 0.1-0.15mm between the bolt catch. That is probably the main problem  Open-Chamber the #1 replacement part you should have is front nozzle section. But for practical change in field, get the whole nozzle assembly. thx kullwarrior for your advice, however, after the close inspection at the boltcatch area, it seems like the bolt carrier is only engaging it at the top bit No wonder why its worned out so much, since so much force is applied on the small area  i might try to file the tab that contacts the upper receiver so the catch could go up further  btw, how do you find the RA-steel bolt? would it work with stock trigger groups? if not then may i ask what upgrades are you running on? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kullwarrior Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 after the close inspection at the boltcatch area, it seems like the bolt carrier is only engaging it at the top bit No wonder why its worned out so much, since so much force is applied on the small area File out until its flatten, shim the bolt catch, that is the fix. I had the issue. If you read back (~10-20 pages) the guy's solution to my issue was shim the bolt catch to fix -and it is. Â RA-Tech Steel Carrier...love it, it's nice both looks and function. It keeps the gun into realistic rof (~750-950) Â If you want to run steel carrier, run steel trigger, hammer, disconnector, valve locker, and firing pin (auto sear is steel already) Â I run a RA-Tech Custom M4A1 and RA-Tech Custom M16A3 with steel carrier on each rifle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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