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Knowing what most of you guys know now about the WE's issues, if you could go back in time, would you guys still buy it? Would you still buy the rifle ... the mags ...

 

Sometimes when I watch a new film I compare it with old favourites. Then I decide to actually dig out an old favourite and try it out. At this point the rose tinted glasses come off and I see just where things have improved or moved on. I actually did this yesterday with my primary electric AEG (ICS M4 based) and the WE M4. I have a real problem now, I don't like my AEG anymore :( I still have a bit of work to do on my WE before it can replace my AEG though. As it stands I have an event rifle and a WIP (work in progress) Tactical Carbine rifle.

 

Would I buy the WE M4 right now... YES. I tried the WA standard before buying my WE and at £510 excluding upgrades to fix the issues I was not impressed. I have also recently research the G&P WOC and although some issues have gone away I'm still not sold. As for magazines I can't ever see myself paying the £85 a magazine it costs for the WA in the UK. I also want CO2 magazines at a sensible price, something the competition doesn't currently have.

 

all the extra WE parts you typically must invest in as soon as you take it out of the box?

 

The latest AWSS M4 versions shipping address most of the early issues. That being said there are still some components that might need a spare or two just in case (assuming you don't get a complete lemon which can still unfortunately happen). I would still be willing to buy these spares, in fact I already have spares for parts that have never failed. I think this situation exists or will exist for all new generation GBB rifles regardless of manufacturer though and is not unique to WE. This new generation of GBB rifles are simply more prone to part failures. Some will fail through wear and tear whilst others might need an improved design developed through experience, much like the real steel world.

 

The other answer to your question should be "would I recommend the WE M4 to other users?".... YES... BUT only if they understand what they are actually getting into. This is a whole different ball game often frustrating, often difficult and sometimes upsetting. I still think that this is the tip of the iceberg for the WE though and I for one am along for the ride. :construction:

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TS Custom user-adjustable nozzle device for WE AWSS platform

 

User adjustable device showing high end of ~2.5J (520fps) to low end of ~0.3J (180fps) on WE's AWSS M4

 

TS Custom User-adjustable Nozzle Device

 

This looks very interesting. Is this compatible with the new CO2 nozzle? What is the TS Custom adjustable device made from? How does the device hold it's setting when in use?

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I need some brainstorming help.

 

I need to extend the cqb barrel for like 1,5-2cm (or 1inch maybe).

Does anybody have an idea how to do that?

 

Is there something I can screw between the flashhider and the barrel/muzzle?

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I need some brainstorming help.

 

I need to extend the cqb barrel for like 1,5-2cm (or 1inch maybe).

Does anybody have an idea how to do that?

 

Is there something I can screw between the flashhider and the barrel/muzzle?

 

Somegirls, another option would be to buy a regular length barrel, and using tube cutters, cut off the excess.

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Looks like the TS Nozzle is an adaption of the current nozzle system.

 

Whereas in the current nozzle the inner valve is free floating and on a spring, it would appear that the TS inner valve is threaded onto the same rod as the nozzle.

 

I don't know what would stop it creeping under continued use, maybe its just a very tight thread?

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This looks very interesting. Is this compatible with the new CO2 nozzle? What is the TS Custom adjustable device made from? How does the device hold it's setting when in use?

 

 

Yeah, looks interesting, allright. From the video, it didn't look to stable, but as long as it can keep people ujder the legal limit. But I wonder if its due to the nozzle or just the inherit properties of green gas?

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Somegirls, another option would be to buy a regular length barrel, and using tube cutters, cut off the excess.

 

I think somegirls might be talking about the outer barrel.

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Somegirls...

 

I've just posted in your other thread.

 

Just get hold of the M4 length barrel extension piece. Either someone here will have one spare if they are using their M4 as a CQB-R or buy a new bit.

 

You can then either cut this down to length if required, and then tap out the end so it fits on. I've got the correct tap set if you need to know the size.

 

M14x1 is what you're after.

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I need some brainstorming help.

 

I need to extend the cqb barrel for like 1,5-2cm (or 1inch maybe).

Does anybody have an idea how to do that?

 

Is there something I can screw between the flashhider and the barrel/muzzle?

 

I'd go for a 14mm +/- adaptor. I used to use one to extend my 10" Star outer to 10.5" the exist both from 14- to 14+ and vice versa. Kotte has them

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The part is made of steel. It can be used in the CO2 nozzle. Setting can be held relatively consistent (as you can see in the vid). Only thing is: After adjustment, it'll take a few shots before the valve position will stablized (also you can see this in the vid: ~2.43J/2.31/ ----> 0.06J/0.09J/0.01J ---->~0.45J/0.55J/0.39J/)

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The part is made of steel. It can be used in the CO2 nozzle. Setting can be held relatively consistent (as you can see in the vid). Only thing is: After adjustment, it'll take a few shots before the valve position will stablized (also you can see this in the vid: ~2.43J/2.31/ ----> 0.06J/0.09J/0.01J ---->~0.45J/0.55J/0.39J/)

 

soooo.....where can I buy this thing? Is it a whole assembly or just that little floating valve? In other words, will it work my current valve?

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So for those that will be playing with the co2 caplets, what happens if you use up all 30 rounds in a mag and it's time to reload. you have to shoot off the rest of the capsule by dry firing? or release the gas slowly like in co2 pellet guns? or a better question. What if i shot off an unkown amount of bb's one game, and then i need to reload for the next game. How will i know if I have enough gas in the co2 canister to last the full mag?

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Well I myself keep a mental note on how may bbs I've shot from a magazine. I usually do this when I need to tactical reload before I expect to engage. Besides mentally keeping track if your unsure as whether you have enough CO2 left for a full reload, assume you don't have enough and change it out. CO2 caplets are cheap.

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On a side note. I had a night game with my WE M4 2 nights ago. I wanted to test if the cool night temperature would be a problem for it, I live in San Diego, California. My concern was the temperature wouldn't allow propper cycling. The temperature that night was about 55-60F with Medium Fog. I also went out with the intent to see if my gun would last a 4-5 hour op.

 

I ran with about 11 mags. All I have to say is my gun is a beast. I didn't encounter one hicup. I own 3 AEG's, I don't use them anymore. Some people complain about the 30 rounds mags. I have to say using this gun has made me a better player. My shots are more focused, no more spraying and praying and I'm just as effective. I say this emphatically, I will not use AEG's anymore.

 

This is not to say that I didn't run into problems. In the beginning I had broken charging handle, nozzle problems, valve problems, leaky mags, accuracy issues, etc. But like a girlfriend/wife it has issues, but if you stick with and put in some time, the reward is awesome. I have put an investment in my WE M4, time and money, and now she is delivering in spades.

 

I'm posting this because the majority of the posts of this gun has been negative. That makes sense though, if my gun didn't perform I'd speak up too, and I have in the past. While those like myself currently who are content need not say anything. But I can say with confidence I would put my current WE M4 against anything out there.

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Lol, dude, San Diego had like 60° at night when I was there in January 07. That's not really cold. If it works in an Idaho winter, THEN it can to anything ;)

 

@ ShinHK: I'd guess one CO2 capsule services a pretty overseeable number of reloads. once you've figured that out, all you need to do is be able to tell your mags apart. If they scratch as easy as most metal AEG mags, that should be easy

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How about accuracy? I wouldn't complain about 30 rds. either if the groupings were alot tighter. I haven't tested out the new chrome barrel/hop-up or even renegad cow's for that matter...but if I can make the accuracy the same as an AEG, then I'd be alot more satisfied...

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How about accuracy? I wouldn't complain about 30 rds. either if the groupings were alot tighter. I haven't tested out the new chrome barrel/hop-up or even renegad cow's for that matter...but if I can make the accuracy the same as an AEG, then I'd be alot more satisfied...

 

I havent tried the chrome one, but i have the brass inner with the version two hop. No good, on full hop i had no hop!! I have switched back to version one. I will try and get another vers two rubber and give it another go.

 

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I havent tried the chrome one, but i have the brass inner with the version two hop. No good, on full hop i had no hop!! I have switched back to version one. I will try and get another vers two rubber and give it another go.

 

Really??! Most people report excessive hop! In fact, when I look down the barrel (chrome), I see the two bumps..even whith hop set to zero. And when I start turning the wheel, I don't see the rubber move (yes, I made sure the collar is facing the right way..) ..*sigh*...

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*positive stuff about gun*

So would you say you'd be willing to buy more so you'd have 3 gbb WE's like you do AEG's? Just wondering whether you'd be able to duplicate the fixes for the problems you had so that if it happens again you'd know what to do.

 

@ ShinHK: I'd guess one CO2 capsule services a pretty overseeable number of reloads. once you've figured that out, all you need to do is be able to tell your mags apart. If they scratch as easy as most metal AEG mags, that should be easy

According to the video, one co2 caplet will just do about a mag and a half. I don't play long big game events to need a ridiculous amount of magazines and I do a lot of reloading of mags in between games. And i'd be worried that just because i know i have enough gas left for 30 rounds, it doesn't mean that the last few shots will be at the full power right? Or am i mistaken about co2 where as the pressure inside gets less the pressure released gets less as well? Seems to me it's almost like one capsule is meant for one mag. Once those 30 rounds are shot out of the mag...a new capsule would be recommended. For military training purposes this is probably good because in the real world they don't really stop to "reload" their magazines, they just carry a bunch with them. But for the group that I play airsoft with... stopping in between games to reload is normal. I guess with everything else in airsoft, using co2 caplets has its ups and downs and it's not for everyone.

 

edit: also...a couple questions regarding the different power nozzles. The way power is adjusted is by how the nozzle itself is made correct? The amount of gas coming out of the magazine is the same, just the amount of gas being directed out the front is changed. So if there's going to be a 350 fps nozzle or whatever that's released, are the mags different as well? If they're not...then the amount of rounds the co2 magazines can shoot off wouldn't change in my assumption.

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So would you say you'd be willing to buy more so you'd have 3 gbb WE's like you do AEG's? Just wondering whether you'd be able to duplicate the fixes for the problems you had so that if it happens again you'd know what to do.

 

 

According to the video, one co2 caplet will just do about a mag and a half. I don't play long big game events to need a ridiculous amount of magazines and I do a lot of reloading of mags in between games. And i'd be worried that just because i know i have enough gas left for 30 rounds, it doesn't mean that the last few shots will be at the full power right? Or am i mistaken about co2 where as the pressure inside gets less the pressure released gets less as well? Seems to me it's almost like one capsule is meant for one mag. Once those 30 rounds are shot out of the mag...a new capsule would be recommended. For military training purposes this is probably good because in the real world they don't really stop to "reload" their magazines, they just carry a bunch with them. But for the group that I play airsoft with... stopping in between games to reload is normal. I guess with everything else in airsoft, using co2 caplets has its ups and downs and it's not for everyone.

 

edit: also...a couple questions regarding the different power nozzles. The way power is adjusted is by how the nozzle itself is made correct? The amount of gas coming out of the magazine is the same, just the amount of gas being directed out the front is changed. So if there's going to be a 350 fps nozzle or whatever that's released, are the mags different as well? If they're not...then the amount of rounds the co2 magazines can shoot off wouldn't change in my assumption.

 

Good points. I'm guessing the excess gas is just vented through the body of the M4 (when firing with lower fps valve)?

 

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Really??! Most people report excessive hop! In fact, when I look down the barrel (chrome), I see the two bumps..even whith hop set to zero. And when I start turning the wheel, I don't see the rubber move (yes, I made sure the collar is facing the right way..) ..*sigh*...

 

 

You >really< need to pick the right hop rubber sleeve......they are so inconsistent.

 

Ideally? You should just see the tips of the 2 bumps in the inner barrel - just peaking through.

 

This will end up being the hop rubber which yields the best hop adjustment range - not overhopped and not underhopped.

 

Also,...if the new hop rubber doesnt fit EASILY into the slot cut into the chrome barrel throw it away. The 2 nubs on the green sleeve should easily fit into the hole in the chrome barrel with NO manipulating or coaxing.

 

If the sleeve isnt a perfect fit, go through a couple more sleeves until you find one that is a perfect fit. Othwerwise you are screwed from the start - there will never be a noticeable adjustment range.

 

A pain I know, but blame WE manufacturing for the radical inconsistency.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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So would you say you'd be willing to buy more so you'd have 3 gbb WE's like you do AEG's? Just wondering whether you'd be able to duplicate the fixes for the problems you had so that if it happens again you'd know what to do.

 

Yeah I am fixing my friends WE's and yeah no thanks I won't want to fix them with a yard stick.

 

Still they are better than your typical M4 AEG clones, even the G&P AEG have been an 8hr ordeal to work on just to get them working at >400fps. Average time on a WE is 3-4hrs.

 

 

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Given a version 2 or even a better a version 3 gun and a few upgrade parts and some elbow grease. I can get the WE M4 performing like a champ in 2-3 hours. Through my our experience, this thread, and WE wiki help forum I was able to achieve this.

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