rottenotto Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 My Bad - Lupus was the poster of the diameter. But thank you anyway for answering my call for metric units! Pollux- These are the metric measurements that I came up with using digital calipers. The #122 washer - a brand new one - measures: 12.74mm outer diameter. 6.80mm inner diameter. Hope this helps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Chef Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Hey Marky... seeing as you need so little of the Krytox stuff, and there are so few of us in the UK that are going to have this... Maybe we should have a WE M4 Krytox owners club and just send the bottle between us as and when we need it! When I get mine, I'll trawl this thread again for the common probs and then go through the strip down process. It looks like the main one is that part *38 coming adrift, which in turn knacks the O ring. Priority number one me'thinks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wraithxt1 Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Well I've been fooling with my bolt catch issue all morning. It looks like the follower on the magazine isnt pushing up hard enough on the catch. very frustrating indeed. I have no idea how I can add something to it to make it press up on the bolt catch! There is slight wear on each follower, but it doesnt LOOK like enough to cause an issue. How odd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slu Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) Well I've been fooling with my bolt catch issue all morning. It looks like the follower on the magazine isnt pushing up hard enough on the catch. very frustrating indeed. I have no idea how I can add something to it to make it press up on the bolt catch! There is slight wear on each follower, but it doesnt LOOK like enough to cause an issue. How odd If you read a few pages back someone posted this issue as well. I believe they disassembled the mag and lubed it up. See for yourself, as I don't own a WE. Edited January 31, 2009 by slu Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rottenotto Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Cant say for sure Wraith. I have marks and wear on my all of my followers and they work fine. However, I did see William at Airsoft Buddy offering replacement followers......soooo......maybe. Bolt not locking open is one issue my gun never had. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kraut Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Could someone post a picture of a WE mag next to an AEG mag? Preferably something like G&P or similar. Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whudafxup Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Well I've been fooling with my bolt catch issue all morning. It looks like the follower on the magazine isnt pushing up hard enough on the catch. very frustrating indeed. I have no idea how I can add something to it to make it press up on the bolt catch! There is slight wear on each follower, but it doesnt LOOK like enough to cause an issue. How odd I have also been trying to figure out why my bolt catch will not lock back on the last shot. I only got it to work for me once and that was after a burst of full auto with 5 shots. It never locked back for me once on semi. I have wear on my followers to but it seems like they are pushing the bolt catch far enough. I also check the bolt carrier for wear where the bolt catch engages it and nothing there either. This is a frustrating issue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris North Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Probably the best place to look first. Otherwise try pressing lightly on the bottom of the bolt catch and dry fire. If it locks back it might just be that the little nub that presses to engage it isn't popping up all the way, so what I've found to work well is to take the mag shell off and lightly lube the levers and parts with oil. If it doesn't lock back try manually pulling the bolt back via the charging handle with an empty mag and see if it engages. I've also had it fail to lock back if I try to move the gun with the blowback. It seems to need a solid jolt to engage. None of that helped? The WE really does seem to need to be held tight for the bolt catch to catch. For some reason if you try to absorb the recoil in a fluid motion it won't work (on mine at least). I think some thing similar also happens on real firearms. If things get really desperate you could probably file and bend a few parts of the levers in the mag for the catch, but I wouldn't recommend starting from there. Too much force on the catch seems to be able to slow the bolt down (but only on an empty mag). Otto: The followers might be because the little nub that presses the lever for the catch can snap. I took my mag apart to after I snapped my fill valve to work on, and when messing around I pulled down the follower by the nub and accidentally let it fly and hit home. The nub snapped off but was easily glued on and it seems to be holding. I've not seen any noticeable wear on mine but I'm almost sure yours has seen a lot more use. Could someone post a picture of a WE mag next to an AEG mag? Preferably something like G&P or similar. Thanks! Absoulutely not. Two images there, in case you miss the second link. I'm not sure if that's the angle you wanted, but I assumed it was to compare lengths. The WE is .5 to 1 inch longer depending on where you measure. They look to be the same thickness and width. The mag is a STAR lowcap which is pretty much the same size as 98% of those out there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wraithxt1 Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Im worried about using locktight on that screw in the back. I ordered a power tun up kit and a nozzle to step the power down. If I loctight it, I wont be able to install either of those, will I? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rottenotto Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) Theres many different formulas of Locktite - you want plain old BLUE. Which is reversible (you can take it apart just fine). Red is permanent, you dont want that. As a mechanic we use blue thread locker on just about everything we dont want coming apart (Safety wire if its real critical). Chris, I havent had any issues with my bolt not locking open yet (knock wood). But if I do, Ill come to you first. Sounds like you hve spent some "quality time" with the WE on this subject! Thanks man Edited February 1, 2009 by rottenotto Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobbcore11 Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) I lost the safe mode on my gun . I can only switch to semi and full. I think someone said something about this ealier. Anyone know about a fix? and on my other lower I believe the selector is messed up aswell, since whenever I fire the gun the trigger just makes a click sound. When I take the upper off the guns, on selector doesn't allow for me to turn the switch to full or auto,it just stays in semi, on the other lower, the gun that only makes the click sounds when it is fired the selector moves semi to auto, but not safe. whish one is correct? Edited February 1, 2009 by Cobbcore11 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wraithxt1 Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 As you can see, its not very reliable! The bolt catch doesnt work very often, I caught one such occasion on tape though! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
massoh2 Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 There are a number of reasons why the bolt might not be catching, anywhere from the magazine follower, to gas problems. I wouldn't call it unreliable just because of a small, noncritical malfunction like this. Also, I believe you bought the first version, which might account for some problems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wraithxt1 Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Yeah I think it is the first version. The bolt catch is magnetic, so that doesnt make sense if its a first version though. There is also no "hole" in the magwell like other first version ones. It does NOT have trades though. I was shooting with propane. I was having a few double feeding problems as well. On occasion it would feed two bbs instead of one, it happened 4-5 times in about 15 mags. What do you think? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rottenotto Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) Wraith, Your gun needs work man. Thats a mess. (No offense). Cooldown, venting, erratic ROF, - failure at the end of the clip. My honest opinion? Dont buy an Evike gun. Rumor on the Net says that WE had to work hard at filling the Evike order - it was a good slug of guns. My guess is the guns were just rushed together to satisfy Evike and their long preorder. Way too many gremlins in the first week. Somebody said "Monday morning gun", I would say "Monday morning batch". Edited February 1, 2009 by rottenotto Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wraithxt1 Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) Yeah, I dont even know where to start. It's pretty *fruitcage* frustrating, I cant figure out whats wrong with it at all, everything LOOKS like it should be playing well. Hey Rottenotto, do you do repairs =P EDIT: Is there a trick to getting the loading nozzle to line up exactly with the bolt/carrier? It may be that my nozzle is just a bit off center and causing too much friction with the brass tube. Edited February 1, 2009 by wraithxt1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wraithxt1 Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Well how about this *suitcase*. I cleaned it all out, lubed it up, put three mags through it, the first one was a little sluggish, the second was fine, the third fired a few on auto, started venting A LOT and stopped. I took it apart and heres what I found. I doubt evike is going to honor this as a factory defect, so I'm right *fruitcage*ed now. This is what I was hoping to get away from when I bought a WE instead of an Escort replica. Words can not describe how ###### I am right now since I'm OUT 700 DOLLARS and I have a NICE *fruitcage* PAPERWEIGHT now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kai_Wolf Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Wraith, I think this is what was causing your issues to begin with. I mean, I bet that the valve was cracked or defective in some way before. Guess what? You can buy a brand new assembly from AB for 16 dollars. I bet after that, everything will work much better. Trust me, it is a cheap and easy fix. It seems like that valve was most likely the issue from the start. Just purchase the tune up kit from AB. Well how about this *suitcase*. I cleaned it all out, lubed it up, put three mags through it, the first one was a little sluggish, the second was fine, the third fired a few on auto, started venting A LOT and stopped. I took it apart and heres what I found. I doubt evike is going to honor this as a factory defect, so I'm right *fruitcage*ed now. This is what I was hoping to get away from when I bought a WE instead of an Escort replica. Words can not describe how ###### I am right now since I'm OUT 700 DOLLARS and I have a NICE *fruitcage* PAPERWEIGHT now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1st Commando Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Wraith , i did notice on your video that your mag appear to wobble in the magwell during firing too ! Is it possible the mag catch is not holding tight enough allowing the mag to drop slightly and therefore not push the bolt catch far enough ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rottenotto Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) Also, I probably have more rounds through the gun than most right now. And I have never broken the valve. I also have never run the store bought O-ring other than to try it briefly, just a stock #122. Something to think about? Im not sure. But sealing up that cylinder tightly is diverting the greater part of the gas charge somewhere else - against the closed valve. Too much back pressure. I'm beginning to think its creating the valve failure. At least helping. Im just 'getting going' on this Lazy Sunday - Ill give it some more quality thought later. Edited February 1, 2009 by rottenotto Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marky [UE] Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Rottenotto, If you have the ability to put together a video then a full walkthrough of your WE M4 explaining the components you have tweaked finishing with a couple of demonstrations would be fantastic. That way we could get an idea for how a well rigged WE M4 should be running. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whudafxup Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Rottenotto, If you have the ability to put together a video then a full walkthrough of your WE M4 explaining the components you have tweaked finishing with a couple of demonstrations would be fantastic. That way we could get an idea for how a well rigged WE M4 should be running. Yes please, haha otto that would be great. Especially a break down of what you did with the brass cylinder and "flaring" it out so it does not shred #122. Did you remove the brass cylinder from the upper receiver when you did this? If so what all do we need to do to get the brass cylinder to come out of the upper receiver? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobbcore11 Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 +1 for a video walkthrough, and a video of your gun shooting rottenotto Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Chef Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Bloomin' heck, don't put too much pressure on the guy! Just a few pics and a quick run down of the common faults and mods to rectify will do just fine! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pollux77 Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 AFAIK to remove the brass cylinder #112 you have to remove the complete frontset from the gun, then you can just pull out the complete innerbarrel assembly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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