M4A1lover Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 MadMax: sorry I did not see the gloves in your picture only the water Out of curiosity what are the legal conditions of applying first-aid in other countries? In Canada we have the “Good Samaritans Act”. Witch says that as long as we perform to our standard* of care we are in no way liable if something goes wrong**. * standard of care: performing to the best of one’s training, not over or under. One example of this my NLS instructor gave was Mr. Bean doing CPR with his foot. Little bit extreme but it explains the situation. ** does not apply if we are at our place of employment, on shift and our job description gives the standard of care Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scuffer Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Out of curiosity what are the legal conditions of applying first-aid in other countries? In Canada we have the "Good Samaritans Act". Witch says that as long as we perform to our standard of care we are in no way liable if something goes wrong. We are covered by similar legislation in the UK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frakk2k Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 I have a basic first aid kit with me on both fishing trips and airsoft games, and on both occations I have used it. Nothing fancy tough, but I am considering taking with me a suture kit aswell. (Ive had some advanced first aid training). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fire NL Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 I've always been interested in the first aid part. I've been looking into the courses, but the thing that scares me are the prices :| I've had a small first aid part with fire fighting for my job (in the netherlands called BHV, bedrijfshulpverlening, something with company first aid or something), but to say that with that i could help someone on an airsoftfield? no way. I know CPR and some small other stuff, and surely, how big is the chance that you need that? i hope never Quote Link to post Share on other sites
druid799 Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 I have a basic first aid kit with me on both fishing trips and airsoft games, and on both occations I have used it. Nothing fancy tough, but I am considering taking with me a suture kit aswell. (Ive had some advanced first aid training). from the point of view of an A+E nurse i"d ask are you playing in areas that you will not be able to get the patient to hospital from in less than 24 hours ? if you can get help in under 24hrs then please please don"t try and suture your self , just put a pressure dressing on it and leave well alone . you start field sutureing and you will be doing the casualty no favours at all , the risk of complications are just too great (infection,loss of vascular return,tissue necrosis ) . also if eny one is going to use super glue on lacerations again please don"t but go to hospital to get it sorted by the professionals ods are the wounds going to need cleaning to get all the ###### out of it before its sealed to avoid infection . but if you are still going ahead i"d say only do it if ;1 its a fresh un-opened tube(its sterile untill its opened) , 2 only use it on "surface cuts" not on deep lacerations , 3 leave a small part of the cut un glued at the bottom (to allow drainege from the wound) . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phaserrifle Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 from the point of view of an A+E nurse i"d ask are you playing in areas that you will not be able to get the patient to hospital from in less than 24 hours ? if you can get help in under 24hrs then please please don"t try and suture your self , just put a pressure dressing on it and leave well alone . you start field sutureing and you will be doing the casualty no favours at all , the risk of complications are just too great (infection,loss of vascular return,tissue necrosis ) . also if eny one is going to use super glue on lacerations again please don"t but go to hospital to get it sorted by the professionals ods are the wounds going to need cleaning to get all the ###### out of it before its sealed to avoid infection . but if you are still going ahead i"d say only do it if ;1 its a fresh un-opened tube(its sterile untill its opened) , 2 only use it on "surface cuts" not on deep lacerations , 3 leave a small part of the cut un glued at the bottom (to allow drainege from the wound) . I will point some things I discovered from annother forum, about the use of superglue as an alternative to sutures. 1) it was never intended as the best option for closing a wound, it was developed for battlefield use, when medics might not have time to apply sutures ect, before moving the casualty 2) it can cause burns. the bonding is a chemical reaction, which creates heat, and so it can cause burns around the wound, making things more complex hospitals only use glue when sutures are not going to be effective (for example they use glue on the scalp, where sutures don't really have enough to hold onto) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thewallhitme Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 seems like perfectly good advice. if i came across a wound that might need stitching, i would obviously call an ambulance straight away, and then keep pressure on it with a dressing. tourniquets are last resorts as they can cause more problems, we were taught to just apply pressure. if you do use a tourniquet, loosen it every 10 minutes (or less) to allow blood back into the limb- stops the tissue dying. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fire NL Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 you could use, for wounds that need stitching, the "zwaluwstaartjes" (cant remember the english word). you know, plasters with the center a bit trimmed down. In that way you can keep the wound a bit tidy until there is professional help. this is what i mean Quote Link to post Share on other sites
druid799 Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 (edited) I will point some things I discovered from annother forum, about the use of superglue as an alternative to sutures. 1) it was never intended as the best option for closing a wound, it was developed for battlefield use, when medics might not have time to apply sutures ect, before moving the casualty 2) it can cause burns. the bonding is a chemical reaction, which creates heat, and so it can cause burns around the wound, making things more complex hospitals only use glue when sutures are not going to be effective (for example they use glue on the scalp, where sutures don't really have enough to hold onto) sorry mate , the info you"ve posted up is quite wrong , 1) glue IS just about the best way to close a wound , 2) it was not "developed for the battle field" the use of glue was developed in plastic surgery ,3) glue burning the skin never seen it happen 4) as to sutureing the scalp , i could give you a long list of diffrent styles of sutureing just for the scalp . Fire NL , nice one mate thats a usefull little tip for players Edited August 3, 2009 by druid799 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
db_pepsi Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Fire NL, those are butterfly closures Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fire NL Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Ty! Usually we have those readily available in home, but when not available i use a scissor to cut them appropiately Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thewallhitme Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 yeah, butterfly bandages are supposed to be used on deep cuts that would need stitching. tbh putting a couple of those across the wound and then wrapping a bandage over it, with a bit of pressure, would probably be more than enough in the short term until a pro can do the stitching. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fire NL Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Thats exactly what ppl tought me works awesome! I've got a little bro who hurts himself over and over again (crashing with the bicycle etc...) so i've put it to the test more than often Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Murph Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 OMG! This thread doesn't have a pulse. CLEAR! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-MOOSE- Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Don't forget that in some areas it is highly recommended and needed to have a snake bite kit, such as in Southern California(where I live...) so I would really, really, really recommend one even though I've never encountered one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thewallhitme Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 probably not so relevant to alot of people. just added some sterile dressings with "low adherent" backings... i guess there just not that sticky Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-MOOSE- Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 No, not everywhere, of course! But those that do live/play by a possible snake infected area should probably buy one, there are some nasty snakes out there. Just putting it out there for people to see. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 (edited) Snakebite Info Its not typically worth resorting to sucking on it unless the victim is a small child IMHO, healthy adults will make it okay, worst will be some shock We get 3 viper species in LA, Cottonmouth, Rattlesnake, and Copperhead as well as Coral Snakes. They are nasty and they always see you first. The rule of thumb, or slither, is to kill it when you see it Edited August 6, 2009 by Azulsky Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thewallhitme Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 does 6mm plastic kill snakes? i joke i joke. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 On a few occasions a mags worth has made them GTFO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thewallhitme Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 haha, i guess thats better than nothing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frakk2k Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 I will point some things I discovered from annother forum, about the use of superglue as an alternative to sutures. 1) it was never intended as the best option for closing a wound, it was developed for battlefield use, when medics might not have time to apply sutures ect, before moving the casualty 2) it can cause burns. the bonding is a chemical reaction, which creates heat, and so it can cause burns around the wound, making things more complex hospitals only use glue when sutures are not going to be effective (for example they use glue on the scalp, where sutures don't really have enough to hold onto) Yeah, I live in Norway, so getting far from people shouldnt be much of a problem. And learning how to do suture was just a thing id like to know I have butterfly band aids with me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-MOOSE- Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Snakebite Info Its not typically worth resorting to sucking on it unless the victim is a small child IMHO, healthy adults will make it okay, worst will be some shock We get 3 viper species in LA, Cottonmouth, Rattlesnake, and Copperhead as well as Coral Snakes. They are nasty and they always see you first. The rule of thumb, or slither, is to kill it when you see it Yep, kill them if you can. That's why I always carry a knife, though it might not be the best idea to get into a knife fight with a snake, they are lightning fast. A mag of BB's at them can do the trick, also some good boots can do some good, though if you can take the head of thick hard leather in the desert, that would be the best! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Murph Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Less Chat, More Pics: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thirteen/autumns Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 OMG! This thread doesn't have a pulse. CLEAR! WHOA WHOA WHOA! Helpful hint from a Pararescue Trainee... You DO NOT shock a pulseless patient. There is only one exception to that and that is if they are in pulseless VTACH! Otherwise any questions or pictures that you guys need let me know! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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