Tef Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 (edited) orignally posted by jammed P90 : er....because I didn't bring my digital camera with me, sorry However, here is a compare between Taiwanese Hi-capa and the Marui Hi-capa made by a Taiwanese player. Here it is!! It's written in Chinese, but there are lots of close-up pictures. Enjoy <{POST_SNAPBACK}> =================================================== new to the business, made in china full metal pistol - ARMOTECH HI-CAPA5.1 http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2419a.jpg introduction : In the recent years, no matter japanese or taiwan makers who about to launch a new gun, theres always rumors everywhere. however before the lanuch of ARMOTECH HI-CAPA5.1 nothing was heard [perhaps i didnt search enough ?! ] it just jumped out all of a sudden. Apart from the material, almost every bit is a copy of the TM Hi-capa 5.1, no wonder why it's been kept in such a low profile ! Me, myself has one of those TM, isn't bad, but still think it's a little too plastic-ky. i would have believed TM trying to get itself into the japanese IPSC market, going head to head agains the WA. OK ! less BS-ing and have a closer look at the Full Metal Hi-capa 5.1 http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2423a.jpg Appearance : First glance on the Armotech Hi-capa 5.1 (from now on, short form as AT) looks metallic grey, filled itself with aggressive look. A bit like the WA 1911-M. Perhaps the metal itself giving it the cold feel and the soild-piece-look, unlike ABS model which needs special finishes to give it the fake metal look. put it in the hand, wow, gosh, this is heavy ! once again the cold, metal feel shows itself. even without the mag, it's heavy enough as it is. the gun without the mag in feel rather heavy at the front, with the mag in, it feels just right. unlike other gun, which feels main weight it in the grip, this feels rather balanced. on the left side of them slide ''OPS-M.R.P CAL.45'' is printed on as oppose to TM counterpart having it crafted in. it really doesnt matter which one really used, because, there is simply no real stell Hi-capa 5.1 anyway. Personally, i think the white printing is rather mart looking. http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2424a.jpg on the right side of the slide ''M.R.P CAL.45'' crafted on. the ARMOTECH logo on both side of the grip look rather fantasy in compared to the Japanese cunterpart ! http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2425a.jpg at the right side of the frame, theres TM logo, and AT doesnt have anything http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2426a.jpg left side view of both guns, AT has already integrated rail http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2427a.jpg Magazine comparsion, top being TM, bottom being AT, clearly the two little circle marks are not there ont he AT model just from the look, AT looks smoother than TM http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2428a.jpg there are words printed on the back of the TM mag, whihc is not present on the AT mag http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2430a.jpg Internals : http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2431a.jpg The stripping is exactly the same as the TM version. http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2432a.jpg barrel, recoil spring, recoil spring guide rod : top = AT, bottom = TM the AT is using aluminium meterial and painted silver on top. although doesnt look as shinney as the TM's plastic with electrolysis, but surely can last longer. same to the guide rod. the spring themselves are exactly the same, thats why when it's being fired, the recoil feels a bit slow/weak. http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2434a.jpg close up to the finishes of the barrel and guide rod. the bad finishes of paint are obvious, and will be waiting to be improved http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2435a.jpg lower frame of the body. left = AT, right = TM, as you can see theres a hole on the TM for taking the rail, whihc is not present in the AT http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2438a.jpg the mould line on the AT (right) is more obvious than the TM counter part (left) http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2439a.jpg there are anti slip pattern on the TM trigger and none on the AT http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2441a.jpg hammer close up : just like finishes on the barrel, silver paint on the AT http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2442a.jpg which is which is obvous, right? ^^ the feel of the grip can hardly make a differnce, but the trigger makes the TM feels more wild than the AT. http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2444a.jpg TM being more detailed with engraved on the chamber cover http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2446a.jpg slides compare http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2447a.jpg TM has a white dot at the front sight as oppse to none on the AT accordign to KIC info, theAT hi-capa weight 1127g and TM only weight 849g. i told them both apart and weight the bits and bobs~ AT TM slide with internals 282.5g 107.5g barrel, with inner 141.8g 69.4g bottom frame with grip 332.1g 324.3g recoil rod 43.1g 35.2g from the data, it's clear that the slide is being most differ part. then the barrel. the slide is heavier than the TM 2.63times ! being this heavy also explains why the recoil cycle is slow in compared to TM. and the vibration throughout the gun during the recoil is also much greater than the TM. [through 12KG of gas?] and under 12KG of gas the two hardly made any difference... (<-- that bit didnt make any sense to me -Tef-) From the look of it, this gun really doesnt suit the IPSC but more a wargame type of gun. i saw this gun back in the gun show, it was one of the hotest items around plus the fact that my wife for the first time ever allowing me to buy this beauty. only let down was after a few mag something went wrong. the gas start leaking, took the gun apart, having it right next to the TM mag to have a contrast. right away, found something differnt...where is the rubber ring to the valve?!?!?! turnig the deks light one, look inside the chamber, suprise, suprise there it was, sitting inside the mag... quickly put it back in place, problem fixed and never come loose again... which means when it was produced, it wasn't fitted properly. some owners also report simialr problem with the hop-up rubber causing it to shoot side way, but then it was easy to fix. lets hope they bring up the standard and have a better quality control, with that in mind im sure they will be a very successful company. http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2476a.jpg http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2478a.jpg having the gas chamber took apart might as well let you guys have a look left to right : TM, AT, WA As ''wolf'' said apart fromthe spring isn't strong enough causing the recoil cycle slower TM, it's also because they copy TM exactly meaning the amount of gas releases isnt enough to drive the slide too. For that, i have upgraded the valve and the recoil spring http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2449a.jpg i dont have any gas valve or recoil spring at the moment, but i do have a WA-SV reduce vibration strong spring set. so i installed it, and difference was clear, much fast then before, however, it was still miles off comparing to TM. Atferall it is a heavy numb of steel. No wonder why professional metal slide used in the IPSC are made out of the super light 7075 alloy ! http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2453a.jpg spring installed http://www.freewebtown.com/archy8362/twhicapa/DSCN2455a.jpg close up : such setup often used in the IPSC guns written by Archy 2005/02/15 ==================================================== - Translated by Tef - Edited May 12, 2005 by Tef Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AngryTrucker Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 hey, nice translation Looks like an interesting gun to try out but maybe have to tweak it a little first.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tef Posted May 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 was going to add [ img] for all of them, but it wont let me ><'' Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticMag Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 I think 12kg gas is Green Gas? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phishphansj3151 Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Nice review man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 If I could, I'd get one of these plus a HiCapa SAS kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ColSanders Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Sounds promising with some tinkering.... I'll grab one as soon as they're available in the USA... Now to track down some new grips... Alex "Col Sanders" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shao14 Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 stupid pictures won't show up for me. Instead a page saying they need support? Anyways, a little more on the performance comparison would be nice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Utty Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 The more I learn about the Armotech Hi-Capa, the happier I am with my TM. I'm gonna give this one a pass. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnK Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Why do you say that Utty? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
garry Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 I quite like the look of them actually and should they become available in the UK, will almost certainly get one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Utty Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Well first of all, I already upgraded my TM Hi-Capa with metal bits and pieces - which are surely much nicer than those die-cast taiwan parts. And, a Hi-Capa lacking the trademark lightning-fast recoil because of a heavy slide isn't a proper Hi-Capa - it's more like something out of a WA factory (except with improved mechanical design). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
staticzero Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 If I could, I'd get one of these plus a HiCapa SAS kit. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The SAS kit wouldn't work with this gun. None of the Hi-Capa parts that attach using the Hi-Capa's rail mounting points will work. The Armotech has an integrated rail, instead of an optional one, so there is no place to mount them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
garry Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Well you're being a proper bugger tonight arn't you Utty..... All I can go by is the pics so far unfortunately, but it looks good in most of them. Just have to wait and see I suppose, but I'm reasonably sure it will be far superior than those plasticky old TM thingies................ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Utty Posted May 15, 2005 Report Share Posted May 15, 2005 Just have to wait and see I suppose, but I'm reasonably sure it will be far superior than those plasticky old TM thingies................ <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Grrrr! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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