danielsilva Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 The FAMAS is craptastic for anything but CQB unless a tremendous amount of labour is poured into it. Exactly my point as to why its curious that the FAMAS can outshoot this gun. 60 metres is just shy of 200ft. I'd say that's a good upward ceiling for most good AEG's. 70 metres, I admit, would be pushing it. However, that's irrelevant. If you want to continue picking at straws, go ahead. I'm not going to argue with Portugal's #1 airsoft grandmaster, that would be foolish of me. The only reason I wrote that post was to give a perspective from someone who isn't trying to justify his own purchase. I've owned and worked on more guns than I care to remember, I, and all my customers seem to trust my opinion. It is in my opinion that the gun has disappointing performance relative to the barrel length, velocity, and hype. Your ad hominem responses are trivial at best. Yeah ... too bad i'm never going to be as hot as the #1 airsoft weapon designer of the good ol' US of A Anyway back on topic and actual conversation. Does anyone have a good picture of the SCAR bolt carrier ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zummerset Boi Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 been reading threw all this review taken an hour lol me and a friend are thinking about getting a scar each to use down at ucap which is CQB, with the idea of being more tactical lol but i just wana know what one to get co2 or the gas? for the great british weather which is better? i have just started to use propane in my pistols so id use that in the scar. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
X Lupin Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 been reading threw all this review taken an hour lol me and a friend are thinking about getting a scar each to use down at ucap which is CQB, with the idea of being more tactical lol but i just wana know what one to get co2 or the gas? for the great british weather which is better? i have just started to use propane in my pistols so id use that in the scar. The gas type. Although Co2 does better in the freezing cold, the advantages of using propane (price, convenience,) outweigh it. -#1 airsoft weapon designer of the good ol' US of A Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bbstriker Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 (edited) The gas type. Although Co2 does better in the freezing cold, the advantages of using propane (price, convenience,) outweigh it. -#1 airsoft weapon designer of the good ol' US of A Propane in cold UK winter (and for most of the year) weather is useless. CO2 is the only way you'll get consistent performance from a GBB in UK weather- sure warm/hot days before nightfall it's OK but that's far too variable. The advantages of Propane (i.e.price and convenience) do not outweigh the disadvantages of propane use in the UK. In Florida, yes I can see that Propane advantages operate there in day and night time. I have three WE GBB rifles- CO2 all the way is the way to avoid disappointment. When using CO2 in warmer weather, you will need Gas/ FPS adjustment such as the NPAS kit. When I skirmished with propane I needed to check the weather and temp to decide between AEG or GBB, with CO2 I do not need to check except for perhaps in extremis where I'd adjust the FPS but still deploy with GBB rifle. My aim is to skirmish all year round with GBB for all the MILSIM training and mission/weekend events I attend- only CO2 enables this. Also, in the case of WE GBB Weapons, you only use 30 round mags- i.e. MILSIM style of play in which case you will not be spending all day changing CO2 mags. One CO2 cylinder works for 60 rounds- i.e. two mag fills of BBs. Edited January 7, 2010 by bbstriker Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zummerset Boi Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Didnt you have alot of problems with the Co2 mags tho? hows that going for you now... also do you have any pictures of how the Co2 fits in the mag please? we will only be using them inside dark tunnels in the evening Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bbstriker Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 (edited) Didnt you have alot of problems with the Co2 mags tho? hows that going for you now... also do you have any pictures of how the Co2 fits in the mag please? we will only be using them inside dark tunnels in the evening Had problems with Propane mags- one exploded! Others leaked but ,managed to sort out eventually. The CO2 mags may leak if you don't introduce silicone oil and leave them empty- secret is to keep them lubed (introduced at CO2 gas port inside mag and at release valve) and charged with CO2. Even if they leak, it's during intiall capsule insertion- a few shots will sort it out. On the whole WE CO2 mags are more reliable- I haven't had to strip them down like the propane mags. Standard 12g CO2 capsule fits in the mag- inserted from bottom and totally concealed and self sufficient. If you're in tunnels it'll be pretty cold and you'll be unhappy with propane. CO2 should be fine. I'd suggest keeping mags near to person as much as possible to give some heat but not essential. Edited January 7, 2010 by bbstriker Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PSK89 Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 been reading threw all this review taken an hour lol me and a friend are thinking about getting a scar each to use down at ucap which is CQB, with the idea of being more tactical lol but i just wana know what one to get co2 or the gas? for the great british weather which is better? i have just started to use propane in my pistols so id use that in the scar. I own a SCAR which is running off of CO2 which works fine on semi auto at temps below freezing however at that low temp cool down affected the gun slightly. Few things to remember with playing CQB and using these GBBR: 1. Unless the site is restricted to semi-auto only you will find yourself to a disadvantage 2. 30 round magazines vs high cap magazines playing style needs to be altered limited amount of suppressing fire per mag 3. Weight of the magazines these arent the heaviest GBB magazines but they arent lightweight 4. The number of magazines you may require and the attached price around 30 pounds each 5. Cool down the gas still needs to expand this can cause you to change mags early. Half empty mags should be replaced into a pouch if possible to reach ambient temps and the remainder used. 6. Check with your site before hand regarding rules surrounding GBBRs and CO2. You WILL require a NPAS system (RA-Tech) however even with this installed some sites still refuse the use of these weapons as they can be easily opened and adjusted to a high FPS. 7. Not a huge point but this is a loud RIF inproves realism but if you are working through a series of rooms they will know you are coming! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PheonixZero Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Gents, Been looking at this bugger for a while as a possible CQB weapon. I want a rifle sized weapon with blowback. I've been down the external air route, having 4 SP M16s and a host of other classics including an Asahi M60E1 SDX which I miss to this day but it just didn't work for me so I want GIM An NPAS will be mandatory for me because our CQB limits are sub 300 w/.25 for semi and sub 250 w/.25 for full auto. Insurance company's rules, *shrug*. Was looking on evike and saw 2 NPASs/NPASes for the SCAR: http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.ph...oducts_id=32114 http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.ph...oducts_id=32247 What is the difference? FYI, I will be running green/propane at all times. What parts need to be replaced out of box? I will admit being a bit scared, hearing reports of so many broken weapons and want to make sure I have a durable weapon. If anyone has comparable suggestions for a GBB CQB rifle please feel free to PM me to discuss so we don't clog the thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danielsilva Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 They're both the same NPAS valve, but the second one also comes with the valve guide housing, which seems to be prone to snap on the SCAR i believe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
X Lupin Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Also you must remember that Co2 is still a liquid gas prone to cooldown. Nothing works exactly as it should in the freezing cold, with the exception of HPA, and even that doesn't function as it should below 0 degrees. If you do so much winter skirmishing that it justifies the cost of Co2 caplets and Co2 magazines, then go for Co2, however, if you play airsoft primarily in the warmer months, it might be worth it to switch to an AEG for the winter months, as the price of Co2 and Co2 mags adds up rather quickly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bb_hood05 Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 (edited) Anyone got the rhino airsoft speed bolt added to their WE SCAR? I'm thinking about getting this but I'm wondering if anyone else has this and if it is worth the investment for faster ROF. Edited January 16, 2010 by bb_hood05 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
laleme Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 I have it, and it is definitely a considerable improvement over the original ROF-wise. I would consider it a must-have for any WE SCAR. Hope that helps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bb_hood05 Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Just got the speedbolt, that thing is awesome, ROF significant improvement. Combine with RA-Tech's NPAS, awesome!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
laleme Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 It definitely is. Also, does anyone know if RS handgrips are compatible with the SCAR? More specifically the MIAD? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danielsilva Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 It definitely is. Also, does anyone know if RS handgrips are compatible with the SCAR? More specifically the MIAD? Since i suppose the SCAR uses the same grips as the M4/16, it ONLY accepts RS ( or copy thereof ) grips. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RayL Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 It definitely is. Also, does anyone know if RS handgrips are compatible with the SCAR? More specifically the MIAD? Both the MOE and MIAD fit the WE SCAR, with no modification. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
laleme Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Awesome, I'll be getting a MIAD then. Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bbstriker Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Does anyone know where can I get a RS MIAD in the UK? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BrooklynBorn Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Give eBay a shot. Maybe someone will be willing to ship it out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrM60 Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Awwwww man. I was exited to get the SCAR as my first GBB rifle, but now that ive read all this, im really sad I don't know if I should get it or not with all the problems ive read about. I really want it though. Im not getting a peice of ###### M16/M4 platform. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
laleme Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Mine hasn't had any problems at all. Most of the issues with the gun have been addressed and corrected at this point, or at least it seems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrM60 Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Does any retailer sell updated ones with problems fixed? If so which? I REALLY want this gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DO-07 Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 MrM60:http://www.augdal.net/ ra-techs own custom we scar gbb, upgraded and ready to be abused! Free shipping and co2 mag included! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bbstriker Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) You have got to be kidding? Can you name an airsoft weapon without problems? The WE SCAR GBB is probably the most reliable of the GBBs out there. Of course you will have problems. Personally I have two WE SCAR GBB ( TAN and Black versions) and nothing has broken on them. Don't forget that these threads are, after initial reviews, usually for people to discuss issues and poor experiences in the main. It's a good thing to hear the issues as it helps new buyers to know what to expect. Edited February 2, 2010 by bbstriker Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reppyboyo Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Personally I had nothing but problems with my own, fix one thing only for something else to fail 100 rounds later. Eventually sold it. Wouldn't honestly recommend it till the issues are sorted and they get their act together with spare parts supply. I do miss the feel and sound of it though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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