Qulevra Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 1st off, a word of warning - the reviewed AEG is NOT a production line, but a demo gun; hence the small irregularities in minor details/color. The production line TAR-21 has minor improvements feature/design-wise and looks even better. Also, you'll have to excuse the pics' quality, the shots' been taken with a Blackberry camera. Here we go, the 1st glance at the gun: http://images52.fotki.com/v638/photos/2/21...9/tar010-vi.jpg http://images52.fotki.com/v639/photos/2/21...9/tar011-vi.jpg At this particular moment I'd like to shoot a huge, stinky diarrhea ray at the Chinese/Japanese designers who, after SO many years of making AEGs, still can't give birth to a bull-pup which you don't have to strip down to the last screw in order to take the mechbox out. In TSI TAR-21, all it takes is 1 flat-head screw (easily removable with a 10c coin, as shown below) in order to expose the mechbox/battery compartment: http://images52.fotki.com/v733/photos/2/21...9/tar014-vi.jpg http://images50.fotki.com/v397/photos/2/21...9/tar012-vi.jpg The battery is a generic large-type, for all yall mucho juice freaks: http://images52.fotki.com/v304/photos/2/21...9/tar013-vi.jpg Next step is the mechbox removal. All it takes is to unscrew the 2nd bolt/nut, take out a plastic motor retainer, pull down the bolt catcher... http://images52.fotki.com/v728/photos/2/21...9/tar016-vi.jpg http://images52.fotki.com/v644/photos/2/21...9/tar017-vi.jpg ...disconnect the motor wiring and voila, the mechbox is out. http://images53.fotki.com/v421/photos/2/21...9/tar018-vi.jpg http://images52.fotki.com/v728/photos/2/21...9/tar019-vi.jpg The whole shebang took significantly less time than I spent describing it. And that's how it looks like: http://images46.fotki.com/v1432/photos/2/2...9/tar020-vi.jpg Considering what a dreadful experience it was to strip down TM FAMAS/P90 or, for instance, STAR L85, this one was truly a bliss. Here we have a rare shot at Mr Ayal's mug, as he puts the AEG back together: http://images52.fotki.com/v642/photos/2/21...9/tar015-vi.jpg The rest is equally simple - in order to change barrels, all it takes is unscrewing the mounted one: http://images52.fotki.com/v728/photos/2/21...9/tar021-vi.jpg For all those who for some reason want to remove the Picattinis, it's a no-brainer - nothing is molded and everything is removable. In order to get access to the hop-up unit, all it takes is removing the magnifier mount (hint: the round thingie in the back, there's a single screw in the middle). http://images52.fotki.com/v639/photos/2/21...9/tar022-vi.jpg In case anyone would want to tinker with the electronics (which, according to Mr Ayal, VOIDS THE WARRANTY - and he has every means to see if the electronics have been tampered with), one should remove the upper part (the one with the Picattini rail) by taking out 4 screws. And that pretty much sums it up - 6 large, easily accessible, non-selfthreaded screws is all it takes to access the vitals of the AEG. Now, the physical dimensions. For some odd reason, the gun seems humongous; but in fact, it is tip-to-toe equal in size to the AKSU-74 with unfolded stock. http://images52.fotki.com/v738/photos/2/21...9/tar023-vi.jpg For a size reference, I'm 6'2" (182 cm) high. Balance is excellent, I love the ergonomics and the electronics adjust itself to the firing rate the moment you switch the firing mode and pull the trigger for the 1st time. It also signals you when the battery is about to die. We mounted an EoTech instead of MARS purely for demonstration purposes - in fact, any sight with a Picattini interface can be mounted on the AEG. And last, but not the least, the mandatory 'find the difference' pic; the top one is IWI, the bottom is TSI. http://images21.fotki.com/v515/photos/2/21...DSCF4012-vi.jpg http://images52.fotki.com/v638/photos/2/21...9/tar010-vi.jpg P.S. Did I mention I luv this gun ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bknewcomb Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 How was your shooting experience? Mine shoots great, but others would like confirmation. P.S. I luv mine too Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Qulevra Posted November 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 How was your shooting experience? Mine shoots great, but others would like confirmation. P.S. I luv mine too Like a charm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hristo Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 To be fair, P90 strips down extremely easy. Down to gearbox, barrel and hopup. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magsz Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Hrm, the rifle looks huge! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Qulevra Posted November 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 To be fair, P90 strips down extremely easy. Down to gearbox, barrel and hopup. Doesn't change the fact that you still have to take the whole gun apart in order to get to it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 The Marui P90 takes 2 screws to get to the mechbox, and 1 button to get to the inner barrel. The only other AEG that is as simple to get to the mech would be the Steyr AUG. Perhaps using the P90 example seems almost too much to emphasize a point. But back to the TAR review. Looks very interesting indeed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bbondaloose Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 It seems... WAY too big. Comparing to pictures of real Tavor's it really does seem like they made it too big. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Qulevra Posted November 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 (edited) The Marui P90 takes 2 screws to get to the mechbox, and 1 button to get to the inner barrel. The only other AEG that is as simple to get to the mech would be the Steyr AUG. Perhaps using the P90 example seems almost too much to emphasize a point. But back to the TAR review. Looks very interesting indeed. No problem, scratch the P90 off the list then. I had enough issues with both FAMAS and L85, was probably thinking about something else when added P90 to the list. It seems... WAY too big. Comparing to pictures of real Tavor's it really does seem like they made it too big. You'd be surprised, it is exactly the same size. The RS specs are freely downloadable from IWI website, it's 1:1 with the real thing (excluding the width - the AEG is wider since it houses the mechbox). Edited November 11, 2009 by Qulevra Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davedawg123 Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 What are the "electronics" for? Adjustable firing rate and battery alarm? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hristo Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 (edited) Doesn't change the fact that you still have to take the whole gun apart in order to get to it. Not sure what you mean, but here goes: To take out the gearbox, you slide the rear cover and unscrew 2 screws. And gearbox is out. 1 minute job. To take out barrel and hopup, you push the button and slide the front off. Push and turn the hopup 90 degrees and it is out. 15 seconds job. Frankly, I couldn't ask for a simpler procedure. Edit: just saw it was discussed earlier, please disregard. Edited November 11, 2009 by Hristo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Qulevra Posted November 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 What are the "electronics" for? Adjustable firing rate and battery alarm? Electronic trigger (there's no physical connection between the actual gun trigger and the mechbox), MOSFET, custom fire cycles (can be programmed for variable length bursts or any other shooting modes one desires - talk with TSI for specifics), battery alarm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Agent47 Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 I think I know why the gun looks huge, the barrel on the TSI seems to be higher than on the real one... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Qulevra Posted November 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 I think I know why the gun looks huge, the barrel on the TSI seems to be higher than on the real one... And you're probably right. The way I see it, that's the only option TSI had to ensure the nozzle/hop-up/inner barrel were aligned. Anyway, I'm more than willing to forgive 'em this small irregularity since the AEG has a ton of pro's vs very few con's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Johngalt311 Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 A video review of my TSI Tavor, its a four part review. I was immensely dissatisfied. Build quality was terrible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_l9OnaFWos Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Johngalt311 Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 How was your shooting experience? Mine shoots great, but others would like confirmation. P.S. I luv mine too Mine's piston locked back after firing one bb...the motor just twitches now. Also whats with the plastic hop up...And the body of mine is very flimsy in places. Creaks alot and in general isnt put together well. The magazine release is held on a pivot bar which doesnt go through both sides of the body so it sorta swings... frankly issues i found were: Screws NOT body pins, must unscrew the buttplate to replace battery and the screw is hard to re screw quickly. Unable to completely disassemble because one hex already stripped. It came poorly shipped so that the fire selector came broken on one side. POOR plastics and build quality, fit of the parts is HORRIFYING. Very nice trigger action, although the trigger itself isn't the best quality. Electronic firing system is the MOST ANNOYING and IMPRACTICAL system ever since. You have to wait for it to vibrate a few times after you switch firing modes every time for it to tell you its ready, which takes about 5 seconds or so. Seemingly low quality Gearbox. After firing one bb the piston locked back and refused to budge. POOR MANUAL, pdf file on a staples cd in a jewel case. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Qulevra Posted November 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Mine's piston locked back after firing one bb...the motor just twitches now. Also whats with the plastic hop up...And the body of mine is very flimsy in places. Creaks alot and in general isnt put together well. The magazine release is held on a pivot bar which doesnt go through both sides of the body so it sorta swings... frankly issues i found were: Screws NOT body pins, must unscrew the buttplate to replace battery and the screw is hard to re screw quickly. Unable to completely disassemble because one hex already stripped. It came poorly shipped so that the fire selector came broken on one side. POOR plastics and build quality, fit of the parts is HORRIFYING. Very nice trigger action, although the trigger itself isn't the best quality. Electronic firing system is the MOST ANNOYING and IMPRACTICAL system ever since. You have to wait for it to vibrate a few times after you switch firing modes every time for it to tell you its ready, which takes about 5 seconds or so. Seemingly low quality Gearbox. After firing one bb the piston locked back and refused to budge. POOR MANUAL, pdf file on a staples cd in a jewel case. Did you try contacting TSI regarding those issues ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Johngalt311 Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Did you try contacting TSI regarding those issues ? Yes, over facebook I even posted my reviews and I sent Guy an email just asking for his return policy because there was no return label etc. in the box. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Qulevra Posted November 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Yes, over facebook I even posted my reviews and I sent Guy an email just asking for his return policy because there was no return label etc. in the box. Gotcha, let us know what's up. P.S. Btw for your own good, edit your video out of that 'Mikey Hartman/Shaldag' reference; otherwise, those of us in-the-know will have a hard time taking you seriously. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beretta Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Its as difficult to take YOU seriously as it is him... Anyone opened the gearbox on one of these yet? would be interested in seeing what gears etc are in there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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