2009 Inokatsu M4 "Superversion"

[-=OGGY=-]

Don't worry, I love my gun. It is definatley a huge improvement over the '08 version. I have big plans for my gun so I'll be sureto keep this thread updated.

Edited December 24, 2009 by -=OGGY=-

[Bloodsword]

Looks like a nice gun, reminds much of G&P M4`s. Hmm, though weird review of a gun when you didnt even shoot with it. The review was mostly useless pic porno and you use marketing hype as a defense Each one to his own..

[-=OGGY=-]

Looks like a nice gun, reminds much of G&P M4`s. Hmm, though weird review of a gun when you didnt even shoot with it. The review was mostly useless pic porno and you use marketing hype as a defense Each one to his own..

 

Are you kidding? Half of every gun is the externals, just becasue you don't care about them doesn't mean they don't matter. Anyway I am trying to do a shooting test, but magazines for this beast aren't exactly cheap.

[sigma3]

Nice one OGGY. Let us know how it shoots! (not that I see myself ever being able to afford such a thing – I still haven't even been able to find the cash for a new BCG on my G&P! Still, nice to hear when there's progress in the field...)

[Bane]

While the "finish" on the receiver is nice the actual CNC machining is deplorable.

 

Inokatsu needs to fire their machinist via execution.

 

Those mold seams are a travesty for a gun that costs as much as that thing does.

 

They tout such an amazing attention to detail and cannot even do away with flash?

 

What a joke. I dont know why people spend their money on garbage like this and accept it as being "ok".

 

 

I'm sorry, going to have to call you out on this one.

 

After eyeballing the rather over-res photos, i couldnt possibly see what you are complaining about. There's a slight seam on the plastic stock, which isnt exactly unexpected, *fruitcage* real COLT M4's have seams on their stocks, its part of the manufacturing process, so unless you want to add an extra couple of bucks to the price to pay for some dude to sit there and shave a miniscule bit of plastic that doesent actually bother anybody, then go for it. Personally, and as the OP said, real guns arent perfect, they never were. They're made by the lowest bidder, and they're made as economically as possible (RE: CHEAP)

 

Also claiming they need to "Fire their CNC operator via execution" Again, i dont see what calls for this. Are you talking about the slight swirl tooling lines on the trigger? if so, i have two words for you.

 

TOUGHEN. UP.

 

 

Your the sort of person that makes my job even harder, the pedantic little whiner that complains about every little *fruitcage*in' thing that doesent make ONE WHIT OF DIFFERENCE. the person who expects everything to be 100% detailed, by hand if neccessary, with absolute zero knowlege of production engineering.

 

To the OP:

Apologies for the above, but i get very tired of people spouting random ###### like that when they have absolutely no idea about real engineering process.

 

Also the faint "Dots" in the engraving is actually proof of Laser-Etching, the laser burns about 0.3-0.4mm off the surface but the "Stippled" appearance happens because of the miniscule gas pockets in the forged receiver.

 

Exellent gun dude, keep us updated 'cause i know damn well i want one, pity i cant afford it.

[The Vainguard]

^ Owned

 

Anyways, I can't wait to get rifle... Just gotta do a bit more research. Great review oggy! Almost exactly what I was looking for (Was hoping for some chrono results too =P)

[jkpics]

I'm sorry, going to have to call you out on this one.

 

After eyeballing the rather over-res photos, i couldnt possibly see what you are complaining about. There's a slight seam on the plastic stock, which isnt exactly unexpected, *fruitcage* real COLT M4's have seams on their stocks, its part of the manufacturing process, so unless you want to add an extra couple of bucks to the price to pay for some dude to sit there and shave a miniscule bit of plastic that doesent actually bother anybody, then go for it. Personally, and as the OP said, real guns arent perfect, they never were. They're made by the lowest bidder, and they're made as economically as possible (RE: CHEAP)

 

Also claiming they need to "Fire their CNC operator via execution" Again, i dont see what calls for this. Are you talking about the slight swirl tooling lines on the trigger? if so, i have two words for you.

 

TOUGHEN. UP.

 

 

Your the sort of person that makes my job even harder, the pedantic little whiner that complains about every little *fruitcage*in' thing that doesent make ONE WHIT OF DIFFERENCE. the person who expects everything to be 100% detailed, by hand if neccessary, with absolute zero knowlege of production engineering.

 

To the OP:

Apologies for the above, but i get very tired of people spouting random ###### like that when they have absolutely no idea about real engineering process.

 

Also the faint "Dots" in the engraving is actually proof of Laser-Etching, the laser burns about 0.3-0.4mm off the surface but the "Stippled" appearance happens because of the miniscule gas pockets in the forged receiver.

 

Exellent gun dude, keep us updated 'cause i know damn well i want one, pity i cant afford it.

 

 

Hey Guy

 

Look at the front of the mag well in one of the firsts pics, at that price it need to be flawless.

[The Vainguard]

Hey Guy

 

Look at the front of the mag well in one of the firsts pics, at that price it need to be flawless.

 

I could think of a helluva lot of things WAY more expensive than that that are flawed in many ways... Stop being a *rickroll*.

[Bane]

Hey Guy

 

Look at the front of the mag well in one of the firsts pics, at that price it need to be flawless.

 

 

 

I assume you mean this photo? with the thick rib infront of the magwell?

 

Sorry to break it to ya buddy, your AEG's have lied to you, THATS MEANT TO BE THERE.

[[BS]_MARS]

While the "finish" on the receiver is nice the actual CNC machining is deplorable.

 

Inokatsu needs to fire their machinist via execution.

 

Those mold seams are a travesty for a gun that costs as much as that thing does.

 

They tout such an amazing attention to detail and cannot even do away with flash?

 

What a joke. I dont know why people spend their money on garbage like this and accept it as being "ok".

 

I'm in full agreement with you man. I think the reviewer is simply too excited to properly address some of these short comings.

 

To recap, for $900 you receive a gun which has an absurdly hard to adjust hop up, no magazine, no carry handle or BUIS, and has a poorly finished receiver.

 

Example one. This is to provide clarity for readers. On the left, the Inokatsu 2009 M4 GBBR. You'll notice it has massive seam lines. This degree of manufacturing inadequacy is not even present on the FAR more low end (Harlem versus Hollywood here folks) Dboys M4 receiver:

 

 

 

Example two. Here is the Inokatsu 2009 GBBR bolt carrier group. You will notice the wear on the lugs of the BCG in the following image. The end user has fired 0 rounds through this weapon (doesn't include a magazine remember):

 

 

 

In conclusion, I believe you've bought a fine rifle. This is undeniable. It is however apparent that this rifle is tragically flawed, and is only for those who look past that.

 

 

 

 

[binarypunisher]

Personally, and as the OP said, real guns arent perfect, they never were. They're made by the lowest bidder, and they're made as economically as possible (RE: CHEAP)

 

That's absolutely false, are you even able to say that with a straight face?

 

I assume you mean this photo? with the thick rib infront of the magwell?

 

Sorry to break it to ya buddy, your AEG's have lied to you, THATS MEANT TO BE THERE.

 

What the hell are you talking about? I have never seen a real gun with that on there, especially to that grotesque of a level.

[Bane]

That's absolutely false, are you even able to say that with a straight face?

 

Quite so, the reason being?

 

Eugene Stoner developed the AR-10 rifle, which for all intents and purposes, failed to the T44 (M14) rifle..

 

They redeveloped it into the AR-15 platform, then Eugene Stoner left ARMALITE and joined COLT..

 

One of the main developing factors in accepting the AR-15 platform was the fact that COLT offered to manufacture the AR-15 rifle cheaper than the Armalite Division of the Fairchild Aircraft Corp.

 

 

What the hell are you talking about? I have never seen a real gun with that on there, especially to that grotesque of a level.

 

I've seen one or two "reinforced" lower receivers, no idea what issue/make they are that have a reinforcing "Rib" on the front of the magwell, that looks very similar to whats in that photo. Something to do with damage incurred by mounted accessories hitting the magwell and deforming it preventing mags from entering the magwell.

[slu]

I assume you mean this photo? with the thick rib infront of the magwell?

 

Sorry to break it to ya buddy, your AEG's have lied to you, THATS MEANT TO BE THERE.

 

Bane, I'm really not sure what you're talking about.

 

The "rib" is excess material left from the original aluminum forging (here is a picture of an 80% lower with such a feature) which is normally removed during final machining (i.e. to make it a 100% lower). This removal is performed on practically every single lower receiver manufactured today, including the ones being sold to the government. Inokatsu, for whatever reason, decided to forgo this step.

 

I can understand some people not minding the seam, but to claim that "its supposed to be there" is stretch.

Edited December 26, 2009 by slu

[jkpics]

I assume you mean this photo? with the thick rib infront of the magwell?

 

Sorry to break it to ya buddy, your AEG's have lied to you, THATS MEANT TO BE THERE.

 

And the dimaco C7 (M95) I had in the danish national guard lied to me as well? you know what how about you finde a picture of a real gun with that seam, and I am not your buddy, friend.

[Magsz]

Bane,

 

You're digging your hole ever deeper with that ignorance shovel of yours...

 

First off, have you ever actually handled a Colt m4? Namely a 6920 or perhaps an actual US military issued M4? I dont know about you but i have and while there are massive imperfections in these weapons NONE of them have a functional or for that matter any kind of real aesthetic detraction from the overall package.

 

I am NOT the kind of guy that makes your life harder by complaining over slight niggles that seem "imperfect" in my eyes. I am however the guy that WILL point out true IMPERFECTIONS when it comes to spending my hard earned dollar or counciling someone else to spend their hard earned dollars.

 

TOUGHEN UP and pull your head out of your *albatross* and go do a little bit of research or actually handle a real weapon. Flash on the body to that degree IS pure laziness, end of story. Its NOT supposed to be there. Some real steel AR15 receivers have very small flash lines in that area where the CNC machine did not smooth the area, no harm, no foul as they are NEVER as pronounced as the garbage that we see on the inokatsu.

 

For 900 bucks i expect better, period, end of story.

 

If you had any clue how most SUCCESSFUL businesses perform and grow you would know that they desperately seek feedback from their customers. Due to the global separation between a large amount of the player base and the manufacturers in airsoft we generally dont get to offer the kind of feedback we would like.

 

Mars pointed out something really interesting. A 60 dollar dboys body is machined properly yet a 200-400 dollar forged inokatsu body looks like a lump of turd. What is the point of forging something if the end product is going to be vastly inferior in a game where 95% of what we do with our weapons is purely based upon looks? Would i prefer that all of my bodies were forged? Absofreakinlutely as i want that perceived strength and value benefit. In the grand scheme of things however, i would take the dboys body over the inokatsu simply because for what we do, the dboys body is "good enough". Ive never had to mortar my airsoft rifle...

 

[-=OGGY=-]

Can you guys please put your E-penises back in you pants and get out of my thread?

 

-Thanks

 

Oh, I do want to say one thing, BS Mars, do you know anything about GBBr's? The nozzle is made of alluminum, and the barrel extention is made of steel. Due to a fault in WA's original design, the nozzle has some slight side to side and lateral movement when it is out of the bolt carrier. The movevent causes the soft alluminum nozzle to touch the hard steel barrel extention resulting in the wear you see. That happens to each and every alluminum and plastic nozzle on the market, and will continue to happen untill a stronger BCG design is devised. Also, am a pretty sure I mentioned that I racked the charging handle back quite a few times in my reveiw, rusulting in the same type of wear that would occur from firing.

 

And just to clarify, real guns do not have the forge mark on the magwell, it is a fault of Inokatsu to include it. However, it is hardly a fault. If any of you went and picked up the Inokatsu for yourself you would quickly forget about the mark.

 

/end rant

Edited December 26, 2009 by -=OGGY=-

[binarypunisher]

Bane,

 

Guns are absolutely not made to the lowest bidder. There are a lot of factors going into deciding who gets what contract, and price is a large factor, but it is by no means the largest factor.

 

Look at who makes them now...its not DPMS. I have never heard (not to say it doesnt happen) a complaint about the build quality of an issued M4, design quality? Now thats a separate area.

 

Just stop running your suck now dude.

[-=OGGY=-]

Bane,

 

Guns are absolutely not made to the lowest bidder. There are a lot of factors going into deciding who gets what contract, and price is a large factor, but it is by no means the largest factor.

 

Look at who makes them now...its not DPMS. I have never heard (not to say it doesnt happen) a complaint about the build quality of an issued M4, design quality? Now thats a separate area.

 

Just stop running your suck now dude.

 

This is a review thread, please refrain from posting if you have nothing useful to post, thanks.

 

-OGGY

[[BS]_MARS]

This is all useful. It is simply here to correct falsehoods that have been posted. We don't want this review to be littered with inaccuracies.

[Swerve]

A review of how it actually shoots would make this thread useful.

 

From a neutral perspective, all I'm seeing at the moment is a discussion about a moderately well finished wall hanger.

 

 

[shinhk]

I'm still waiting for the actual performance review rather than picture previews of the gun. A mod might want to lock this thread until OGGY has finished the review since it's getting cluttered with arguments and "corrections". Someone (like me) who wants to read a review of how this expensive toy shoots will have to browse through several pages before getting the answer that should have been gotten on the first page. This IS airsoft and although someone said it's 95% looks...isn't it really 100% functionality?

 

To ANYONE (doesn't have to be the OP), please add this in the thread ASAP (before things get out of hand):

- accuracy test (to AT LEAST 10m)

- fps of first shot and last shot

- pics of wear before and after

- any "problems" that might have encountered

- shoot AT LEAST 10 mags worth and let us know what mag was used

- do a full auto test...and report back on cooldown and entire mag shot

- time how long it took to adjust hop-up for a preferred trajectory (this will be interestingly funny...sorry)

- try getting each type of magazine to let people know what fits/works/functions in it (whoever has bought an INO must/better have money to blow)

- **maybe later on someone can say what airsoft accessories fit

 

That's all I can think of right now and it's the least this thread needs (in my opionion) to make a proper review.

[-=OGGY=-]

shin, I will be putting in an order to BoomArms soon and I will probably pick up a G&P mag with my order. I wanted to buy a mag sooner but I have been busy with Christmas and all.

 

This is all useful. It is simply here to correct falsehoods that have been posted. We don't want this review to be littered with inaccuracies.

 

I already corrected the only falsehood connected to the gun in my above posted. The stupid forge mark is not on the real gun. There. Done. Can you all shut up now?

 

The thing about the lowest bidder has nothing to do with the Inokatsu.

 

Finally Swerve, what are you talking about? You can't tell me you don't even consider looks when buying a gun. Looks are a significant part of any gun. I'm not saying proformance isn't important, because it is, but this thread is certainly useful even without a performance test.

 

Also please don't say this is a pic only reveiw; I wrote over 2,000 words about both the internal and external parts of the gun. Just because you guys are too lazy to read the whole thing doesn't mean the words aren't there.

 

As much as I don't want to say this, if a mod wants to lock this thread, feel free. I can just PM a mod to get it re-opened once I get myself a mag and write up a proformance section.

 

-Thanks

Edited December 26, 2009 by -=OGGY=-

[Swerve]

I know what I'm talking about.

 

If it doesn't work properly, it could look like Megan Fox covered in little choclate RIS rails for all I care.

 

Function first, then looks. It isn't my fault you posted an incomplete review before you had all the info and equipment at hand.

 

I'll thank you for your efforts so far, but you really should have waited. You are in no position to take umbrage against those that complain on this point. You decided to publish too soon, take the brickbats like a man!

[[BS]_MARS]

Alright, I think we can just chill until the performance review comes.

[tinydata]

Swerve, the damn gun WORKS, ok? Get your act together and go look online for videos... Redwolf did a nice review of a stock Inokatsu M4 and it fires very, very well. I also handled one in Taiwan...it fires, ok? Don't complain that he hasn't gotten a mag for the gun. If you can afford a $890 gun plus a $40 mag, all at once, then go buy the rifle and write your own review. Otherwise, stow it.

 

 

 

Also...I looked back at a picture of the one I played with in Taiwan...doesn't seem to be that flash on the magwell. Strange...who knows what the reason is...

 

Don't criticize the OP for trying to provide a decent review of the nicest airsoft M4 out there.

 

Now, to get back on topic, Oggy, have you stripped the bolt carrier group yet?