capa Posted January 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Its $30 come on these threads get silly after a while and if its dim then you got a dud i used mine at the mall last sunday and the beam is blinding, yes its quite a tight beam but i like that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Luis21 Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Can anyone else give any input? I'd like a comparison of the Element M600C with a surefire LED or incandescent lamp. My M600C was medium brightness but I've never owned any highly bright lamps either.... -Luis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arion Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Can anyone else give any input? I'd like a comparison of the Element M600C with a surefire LED or incandescent lamp. My M600C was medium brightness but I've never owned any highly bright lamps either.... -Luis I have a RS Surefire M951. Manufacturer's data puts it at 60 lumens (its incandescent). My ACM M600C (which has a LED assembly) is waaay brighter. I'd have to test range though because although my ACM M600C is brighter, I'm not sure it would illuminate as far as my RS M951... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tome Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Its $30 come on these threads get silly after a while and if its dim then you got a dud i used mine at the mall last sunday and the beam is blinding, yes its quite a tight beam but i like that. I need to revise what I said above as i've gotten hold of a surefire P60 and side by side the eM600c is brighter I know it's $30, hence why i'm not overly upset about it, but i wanted to give a fair comparison with other flashlights out there. I don't want to overly hype a product that performs averagely compared to other items that can be had for a similar price. The features and the finishing are very good but the light output is just average. I have two other lights both equiped with cheap 10 quid p60 sized drop ins. One outperforms this by a noticable margin and the other greatly outperforms this, all still supplied with 6 volts. My teammates' real SF M600c which is rated at a "piddly" 120 lumens completely obliterates this clone, which makes the manufacturer claim of 180 ridiculous. Maybe I was getting too excited reading about it but i expected to be blown away by the brightness of this light. As it is, i'll stick with my assessment of .... Good, but not great. Perfectly usable, but may be outperformed by other simliarly priced lights. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 I just got one of these to test. I'll compare it to my Surefire with a real KX2C head (which is what the real Scout uses). I'll also test it with the TNVC E2 Conversion Head to see if they're compatible and how the light's brightness compares. If it's a big difference in lumens and it's compatible with the TNVC E2 head, this may be a good way for airsofters to have a solid light for relatively cheap. Will let you all know what I find. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tome Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I'm happy to report that mine is a dud!!! (well kinda ) my friend's one arrived in the post and having compared them it's very clear that mine is not quite right. Check out the attached picture. My friend's one is easily comparable to a Cree Q5 6p drop in so buy away!! It really is a great torch for the price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Luis21 Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 I'm assuming that the 6P CREE Q5 is on the left, right? -Luis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hammerfall Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 $42 to my door in a couple of weeks - yes please I'm looking forward to it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tome Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 the pic is shows working em600c on the left and not working properly one on the right Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matt.bee Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 I have both the Element and a genuine Scout. The biggest differences are the 'spreadd' of the light and the pressure switch. The Surefire I have has an LED head. It is very bright, but also very diffuse. For clearing rooms/close range stuff it's great, as it fills the whole room with light. The Element head has a much tighter spot to it and therefore penetrates greater distances. Much better for long range shooting. My 2 are of similar brightness, the Element just seems a bit brighter I think, possibly because of the 'throw' on the light. The genuine pressure switch is a push fit into the tailcap rather than the screw in fitting of the Element. The Surefire unit feels sturdier although the Element has a thicker sheath on the wiring it's not as flexible. The bodies have different threads too, so the copy head just screws onto the genuine body whilst the genuine head won't fit the Element. The tail caps aren't interchangeable either. However, mine is a fairly early Element and apparently the threads are different on the newer ones. TBH< as a cheap spare head for by Surefire, with a beam pattern that is different and in some ways better, the price is brilliant. I'd also say that if the Element existed when I bought my genuine one, I'd have saved the cash and bought Element! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kristmen Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Holy ######, that just about looks better then the real one I bought for my RS AR... I'll have to pick up a couple of these for my Airsoft's! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
draxhugo Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Isn't this trademark infringement ?. Did Surefire give any kind of licensing right ?. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kojak Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Pretty much everything Element makes is trademark infringement. SF would be crazy to endorse a product with the same basic functions for 10% of the cost. Anyway, when it comes to airsoft I LOVE unlicensed replicas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfishsalesco Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Welcome to airsoft! Isn't this trademark infringement ?. Did Surefire give any kind of licensing right ?. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kojak Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I installed my fake Scoutlight on an SG9000 shotgun for a night of indoor CQC; the tight beam came in handy especially at longer ranges (40-60 feet). Beam alignment seemed very good with the light mounted under the barrel which was helpful since I was using it without any sights. Unfortunately, the glass lens cover was shattered at some point, either from me bumping the light on a wall or a direct hit. The light was still functioning through the star-burst so I didn't notice the damage for a while. Any suggestions for a replacement? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
enigma83 Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 I just got one of these to test. I'll compare it to my Surefire with a real KX2C head (which is what the real Scout uses). I'll also test it with the TNVC E2 Conversion Head to see if they're compatible and how the light's brightness compares. If it's a big difference in lumens and it's compatible with the TNVC E2 head, this may be a good way for airsofters to have a solid light for relatively cheap. Will let you all know what I find. I hope you post soon this comparison! thanks for your work! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Securit Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Waiting out for this as well. Would be nice to try and work out what the exact lumen output it, or at least comparable to as this is clearly the main point of concern over this torch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tome Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Didn't it say in a few posts above that it's subjectively possibly brighter than the real SF Scoutlight? :-) Surely that's enough brightness for you hehe. Seriously though the real scoutlight is plenty bright and this really does seem about equivalent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
charlie 6 Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 The genuine pressure switch is a push fit into the tailcap rather than the screw in fitting of the Element. The Surefire unit feels sturdier although the Element has a thicker sheath on the wiring it's not as flexible. The bodies have different threads too, so the copy head just screws onto the genuine body whilst the genuine head won't fit the Element. The tail caps aren't interchangeable either. However, mine is a fairly early Element and apparently the threads are different on the newer ones. Thanks for the heads up! II'm definitely getting one as soon as my budget permits thanks to everyone who put in info on this torch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Securit Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Ordered one the other day. Once I get it I will try comparing it to my Surefire M2 Centurion with an LED upgrade, I think that pumps out 90 lumens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kristmen Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 I just got one of these to test. I'll compare it to my Surefire with a real KX2C head (which is what the real Scout uses). I'll also test it with the TNVC E2 Conversion Head to see if they're compatible and how the light's brightness compares. If it's a big difference in lumens and it's compatible with the TNVC E2 head, this may be a good way for airsofters to have a solid light for relatively cheap. Will let you all know what I find. I'm curious to know about the TNVC E2 conversion too. Did you try that? Did it require any special fitting? I assume the threads on the fake Scout are taller given that the heads from the fake fit on the real one but not vise versa. Can't wait to hear how the TNVC head works out! I just ordered one of these. As I said a few posts back, I have a real one for my real AR but due to the cost, I'm too scared to use it for Airsoft and risk the head/glass getting broken. Can't wait for the copy to show up from RSOV. I ordered that LaRue Tactical Scout Light mount too! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sigma3 Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Do these have unique serial numbers or are they all A58440? I'm hoping they're all the same because if not I think I might have just got eBay scammed on a real one... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kristmen Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Do these have unique serial numbers or are they all A58440? I'm hoping they're all the same because if not I think I might have just got eBay scammed on a real one... From what I've seen here in this thread, all the copies have the same serial number. I know my real one has a different serial number though. The copy is easy to tell, on the copy the pressure switch screws in, on the real one it pushes in. Link us the eBay ad. If you paid with a credit card, your good. Paypal won't be helpful but you can do a credit card charge back for fraud and send the sellers Paypal account into the negative. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sigma3 Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 I'll try to dig up the ad, not sure how to access it now that it's expired. My serial number is certainly different. Quality of the material/bulb/etc seems pretty high to me, but I started wondering when I noticed the pressure switch is generic and not Surefire branded... much like the one seen here. My tailcap is definitely threaded, but Surefire's own site clearly indicates that it "screws on", so I'm not sure what you mean about "pushes in." Oh, this is a M600B and not M600C, although I doubt that makes any difference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tome Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 see if you can take the head apart. The real ones don't come apart like in the picture earlier in the thread where you can get to the emitter itself. The real heads are sealed units Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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