Jagdraben Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 How, exactly, is full auto an advantage on guns as short and light as those are? Full auto is horrndously inaccurate. The only thing it's useful in American tactical doctrine is for supressing fire, the point of which is to scare the enemy, not kill him (and generally requires that the fire be accurate enough that the enemy doesn't get brave and charge the person laying down the supressing fire). It's the guys that are doing double and triple taps on semi auto that get the kills. And when you're dealing with terrorists, the only thing that matters is getting the kill. Especially given that those terrorists know that their lives are already forfeit, in which case they would be more likely to charge someone spraying on full auto, and more likely to hide among innocents, where full-auto is more likely to kill civies by the truckload. Link to post Share on other sites
BARsrule2 Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Read my post dude. I'm talking about limiting the police officers to 15 rounds instead of a possible 30. He said that with 30 rounds, there's a temptation to just let rounds fly downrange. But isn't that what training is for? Link to post Share on other sites
eltee Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 (edited) As a cop in the US, my unit is issued full auto shoulder weapons (most carry the M4 with Eotech sights but I have an Aimpoint on mine) but we are not allowed to engage the full auto option without an order or permission. Hence, we have a semiauto capability for most occasions. We do, however, carry fully loaded mags. With my duty pistol and M4 I am burdened down with 150 rds of .223 and 37 rounds of .45 . Sometimes more. Â FYI, I have never been authorized yet to go full auto nor have I, as a lieutenant, authorized anyone to do so. It's just nice to have the option. The contributors above are correct about controlling rounds, hence the reluctance to spray and pray in full auto but there are certainly scenarios we train for where full auto would be safe (re. bystanders/hostages) to use and give us an edge over the badguys. Â Full auto, with both the P90 and the M4, is accurate if you train and use short, controlled bursts. I won't speak further here about live fire as it would violate the forum rules on talking about ballistics, etc. of real ammo. I can, however, say that with these two firearms on full auto you are NOT spraying wildly like a firehose on the loose. You can place multiple rounds on target, and some of the range instructors, etc. can empty a mag in the black in full auto. Â A while back I did a thread on comparing an airsoft M4 with my real steel M4 if anyone is interested in seeing how close the a/s looks to the real thing. Edited July 11, 2006 by eltee Link to post Share on other sites
jack10 Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 (edited) may i ask what relevence this has to g36's  EDIT:n00bTard i could not see the pics in the news thread Edited July 11, 2006 by jack10 Link to post Share on other sites
Rmyof1.5 Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 (edited) I've been looking everywhere for a Classic Army G-36C top rail. I've found the Marui one on UNCompany, and other aluminum top rails. I want the Classic Army one so it matches my Classic Army G-36K. Anyone here know where to find one? Â I'm basically going for this look just not painted : <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Edited July 11, 2006 by Rmyof1.5 Link to post Share on other sites
starburst Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 When you say match the CA G36K does that mean in aesthetics or do only Classic Army rails fit onto Classic Army G36s?? Â I want to do something similar but can only find TM ones and the STAR one Link to post Share on other sites
Rmyof1.5 Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 I mean in aesthetics. I don't want a smooth top rail on my gun, when the rest of the body is textured. I don't want a mismatched gun. Also, same here about what I could find. I could only find the metal top rails, a TM one, and the Star. I would buy the star one but it doesn't have iron sights on it. Link to post Share on other sites
starburst Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 TBH I have never thought about that, there a vast difference between them? Link to post Share on other sites
eltee Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 (edited) may i ask what relevence this has to g36's <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  Just dispelling the comments about full auto being uncontrollable. Sorry if I was off base or this displeased you.  To maybe add some relevance, here are photos of my shorty G36C (CA) and my real steel G36 clone (semi auto, so I don't know how a full auto G36 shoots) and my TM G36.    Edited July 11, 2006 by eltee Link to post Share on other sites
staticzero Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 FWIW the TM C rail looks fine with the CA body. It's not the same material as the TM body. Look at the pictures of my K and see for yourself. Plus, the detail on the TM sights is better than on the CA. If you're in the market and can find a TM rail I'd go for it. Link to post Share on other sites
n00bTard Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Here are some pics: In this thread though I'm sure there's even more if you look around and search in some of the CA news threads. Link to post Share on other sites
staticzero Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 One nice thing about the CA RAS is it looks more realisitic than the G&G. Although I don't think KAC actually made a C length version, only K and full size. Link to post Share on other sites
HKG36 Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Hey guys I know this is a long shot I would like to trade my complet CA36K front inner barrel,flash hider,outerbarrel, and handguard for a complete CA36E front end with the same things. Link to post Share on other sites
Rmyof1.5 Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 (edited) Thanks static. I was going on information from some of my friends about the CA top rail. Just looked into it more and found out your right. Thanks. I will be ordering my TM top rail tonight. Edited July 11, 2006 by Rmyof1.5 Link to post Share on other sites
donnie Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 Here's the finished gun, got my CA Lower yesterday. Only dissapointment is that the Marui worked nice with the selector switch, it was a nice tactile "click" when each position was selected on the fire selector, on the CA lower it doesn't. I had to do some modification to the body last night to fit the forearm, I'll have to go in and sand out some of the plastic burs to get rid of any nastiness left behind. Overall this was a worthy project, it took my plastic-y Marui gun and now this thing feels super tight, no creaks, feels 10x stronger. It's the same thing with my PTW, you can hold that gun up from the vertical grip alone at arms length without a doubt about the rigidity of that gun, this gun now feels the same way, looks way better, and now has trades. And yeah I can live with the ONE mis-spelling on there.       I hope you can see the differences between the Army Code, Classic Army, and real H&K material. I'd say CA is spot on, and if AC was just a bit darker it'd be a perfect match. But regardless it's MILES ahead of Marui's material. Now this gun feels less like a conversion kit and more like a real production gun, but better. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  Project finished then I take it?  What a difference the CA lower makes - it was the right decission... a labour of love clearly.  And nice pointing on your flagstones Link to post Share on other sites
starburst Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 Thanks Static, I thought about your G36 shortly after posting that question and was gonna ask you which you had as yours is a TM/CA/HK hybrid I was guessing you might have the TM rail Link to post Share on other sites
Dizzy Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 (edited) Â Â Oh. My. God. Is that TWENTY-TWO grenade pouches?!? Where did you get that jacket? I want one! Edited July 12, 2006 by Dizzy Link to post Share on other sites
Jagdraben Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 They have a bunch of those at the Army-Navy store here in town. Link to post Share on other sites
ColSanders Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 Eltee are all of those actual airsoft 40mms or do you have some dummies in there? Link to post Share on other sites
eltee Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 Blue tipped are real, practice rounds. Some are airsoft (madbull) and most are movie dummies made out of fired real casings and cast projectiles. Link to post Share on other sites
eltee Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006  Oh. My. God. Is that TWENTY-TWO grenade pouches?!? Where did you get that jacket? I want one! <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  Standard US military grenadiers vest. Available at military surplus stores, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
jack10 Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 so does anyone have pics of the G36c R.A.S????? Link to post Share on other sites
donnie Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 Fixxer you have a squeeze forcing the G36 into that case. Link to post Share on other sites
jack10 Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 yeah it is a bit on the small side lol Link to post Share on other sites
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