GoLgO 13 Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Ok, this isn't my best work, but I wanted to give everyone a snapshot aboutr the ARES G36C I got this holiday season. The only reason I bought it was because it was only $119.00 on Ehobby. Considering how I liked the asthetics of my STAR SL9, I figured the money would be worth it just for a good looking G36C shell. ok, sssooo,.... ARES G36C Price- $120~$180 Real steel history- google it, but I'm pretty sure it went like this,,, Eugene Stoner, Mikhail Timofeyevich Kalashnikov and head Hk engineers were lured under false pretense to a single doored windowless room. Once inside, the door was locked for 45 minutes. When it was opened up again, the G36 was the only thing left inside. A gas piston operated locking lug assault rifle with Hk looks and functionality. It came in an unassuming plain brown box with a single sticker indicating what was inside. It was packaged very close to how a STAR AEG is packaged... Go figure. Here she is , right out of the package(the trades were puttied up by ehobby, I removed it with a nylon dremel wheel) Initial impressions... The gun is pretty solid and the build material is much nicer than Marui or JG. A slight wobble is present in the handguard, but I am sure it can be shimmed out. The only included Items were a BB loading tool, a metal flashhider(there was an orange plastic one glued onto the gun which I removed with some vice grips) and an ARES catalog. EXTERNALS Pictures speak for themselves... -The safety selector clicks pretty positively into place. -The front sling mount and lower rail weren't finished off very well and could have used some nicer detailing such as numbered rails. I had to buy the side rails(they are Guarder) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoLgO 13 Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Performance The gun ran pretty well out of the box. ROF using an 8.4v mini was 15 RPS ... Velocity was ~300Fps The range was good, but even with the hop up turned completely off, it still over hopped. Now this can be fixed by replacing the bucking or running some rounds through it to break in teh hop up bucking. The bucking was different from the STAR brand and resembled a guarder soft(clear) bucking. MAGAZINES Stock Magazine misfed constantly. The STAR magazines I used to have did the same thing. They double stack and jam near the opening of the magazine I was able to fix it. But I find that MAG brand magazines work best in this gun. KA fake bullet magazines didn't work period. This is because the hop unit is directly in the path of the bb feeding tube. Only magazines with half decent springs will push bb's past this obstacle. I tried putting a marui hop up in it but then it feeds so well it double feeds. Just use MAG brand magazines and call it a day. TAKEDOWN & INTERNALS Mostly STAR internals remained with a few changes... 3 push pins and bam! you get this... you can release the spring tension by inserting a punch or small screw driver here... You may also notice a bearing on the bevel gear only, the rest are 7mm bushings You can remove the spring without opening the gearbox by using a hex wrench to remove the spring guide... You can also change out the trigger switch without opening the gearbox... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoLgO 13 Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Motor cage was shrinkwrapped but it got damaged when I removed the gearbox... Internal snapshot... Spring guide is polycarb and metal. It is also propietary... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoLgO 13 Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Cylinder is chromed out brass. This is a change from STAR cylinder which was painted black. Trigger switch is M249 style... Motor is pretty good, nothing special though. Trigger response is Meh ROF is MEH but reliability is very good... Piston head is polycarb Marui style non ported... Piston is Polycarb... Tappet is marui style... Nozzle is Marui style... Cylinder head is polycarb... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoLgO 13 Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Gears are XYT style... Just like the STAR I would say that these internals are good for at least 400fps without upgrading. Thats it for internals Final impressions.... Pros - Cheap purchase price - Nylon fibre externals that are pretty nice for the cost - quick change gearbox features - 3 pin takedown - Trade marks and included black flash hider Cons - wobbly handguard - terrible magazine and some mag compatibility issues - some propietary parts - finicky stock bucking - strange hop up placement For the money I think this would be a good addition for someone's collection with plenty of performance potential. It is a decent performer, but if it is performance you want, look at the KWA or Marui models instead. BTW do I like the AFG on the G36? Yes! G13 seal of approval... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Pepper 6pk Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Thumbs up for good use of the AFG. I love it to bits on my SR12. Oh yea and good review too, wish it didnt use so many proprietary parts. Im looking into a G36C and dont want to get a JG or Marui, and this has me interested. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Punkypink Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Did that strange looking foregrip come with it stock? I'm assuming thats the AFG you were referring to. I've never seen that before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoLgO 13 Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dr. PP, The only propietary parts are the selector plate, the spring guide and trigger switch. If you added a Marui shell, you could use Marui selector plates and spring guides etc etc Punky, The G36 did not come with a grip. The strange looking grip is a Magpul AFG(Angled Fore Grip) which was designed to facilitate the famed "thumb over bore" style of weapon hold. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Pepper 6pk Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Its pretty new, made by a US company named Magpul. They make a bunch of tacticool stuff and people gobble them up like no other. They make pretty good products though. The Angled Fore Grip is REALLY nice and very natural to hold. Combines using a foregrip and the thumb break grip method. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Punkypink Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 (edited) Yea I know magpul, but usually just their magazine products. That AFG looks pretty good actually. Might give it a try. Btw, I wonder if the ARES gas block is compatible with the TM and JG ones? They're ALL supposed to be interchangable(at least they look so) but when I recently swapped a JG block with a TM one, it took me a lot of dremelling some of the metal bits just to get it to fit. Since gas blocks are one of the weak links on a G36, I'm looking at getting some spares(I own 2 G36s) and the only ones I see out there atm are the ARES ones. Edited February 13, 2010 by Punkypink Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ianhaz Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Very thorough review golgo, good work! Looks like I might have to get one of these for the quick spring change gearbox, trades and pushpins and combine it with my current CA heh heh heh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Pepper 6pk Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Ah ok, so if I decided to get one, I could put a Marui/clone gearbox and it would fit? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoLgO 13 Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Yes it'll fit, as well as the gas blocks. Star used to offer their bodies as external upgrade kits back in the day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GnGArmament Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Why did STAR use a V2 gearbox...? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoLgO 13 Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 As far as I know they didn't, My STAR SL9 has a ver III and my ARES G36C has a Ver III. If I said VerII somewhere then it must be a typo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GnGArmament Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 (edited) My mistake, I quickly scrolled through and thought it was a V2. Sorry about that. By the way, how is the AFG on your G36, and how is if the AFG is general? Edited February 14, 2010 by GnGArmament Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Warning Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 (edited) just seen that you don't have the fancy mag release that they have on them now, perhaps you have a slightly older one? ala this: EDIT: scratch that i thought i saw them with one of those or was it the the SRC? :S Edited February 14, 2010 by Warning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Pepper 6pk Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Correct, SRC G36 is the only one that comes with that fancy mag release, stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hkang Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 very nice thanks for infos~ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Saint Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Oh wow, the AFG and the G36C look incredible together. Did not expect that at all. Just imagine throwing some Magpul G36 mags on there. Nice review, though soon to be outdated. ARES has a new line of G36s coming out that's suppose to blow every existing G36 away. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zombie00 Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Oh wow, the AFG and the G36C look incredible together. Did not expect that at all. Just imagine throwing some Magpul G36 mags on there. Nice review, though soon to be outdated. ARES has a new line of G36s coming out that's suppose to blow every existing G36 away. That looks beautiful, especially the two-tones charging handle, adds a lot to the over-all look of the gun. I'm a little worried about the blow-back system; I got the feeling that it will be mechanic (couldn't find a better word to describe it) and those tend to break. Anyway, if the price is good they might be a very interesting upgrading platform. Back Ontopic: Nice review Golgo, it's a gun most of us have been looking at, tempted to give a try yet put off by the general opinion on the brand internal quality. Actually it looks pretty good, with a few relatively cheap upgrades, it could coup up with the assault role (According to my national regulations: up to 400FPS) pretty well. However, I'm a bit concerned about the hop-up. A while ago I was kind of interested on building a DMR with an Ares SL9 and, besides the changes on the GB, dropping a Pro-win blue chamber was on the top of my list: Have you tried fitting one of those?. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoLgO 13 Posted February 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 I never tried the Prowin, but I have the 5KU copy of it. I'll try it out and let you know how it goes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
noodels Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 (edited) stuck a Prowin in my Star UMP & went from 300 to 350 fps, so expect an fps increase + better fps consistacey. One more thing you must remove the top frontmost screw from the gearbox to get the hopup lush with gearbox. Aleast I did with UMP. Edited February 18, 2010 by noodels Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Punkypink Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 you must remove the top frontmost screw from the gearbox to get the hopup lush with gearbox. Aleast I did with UMP. You will have to do the same with the G36 too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoLgO 13 Posted February 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 So I threw that 5KU hop up in. It seems like a good unit. I had to remill it a bit to delete that portion of the hop unit that screws onto the mechbox. There is no solid way to get that to work so for get it. here is the modified 5KU unit. Here is the ARES and the 5KU side by side. Just by looking it seems that the 5KU wins over the ARES due to the funnel shaped feeding area. A quick shot of the new ARES bucking. Here is the 5KU with the required parts from the ARES unit. Here is the 5KU in the gun. How does it shoot? Pretty good, but the KA fake bullet maga zine still doesn't want to feed. =( Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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