Carter Posted November 13, 2010 Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 What is the advantage of an angled foregrip over a vertical one? Is it purely comfort or something else? It seems to me that a vertical foregrip would be much better in terms of weapon control yet everyone is making the transition to AFGs. Link to post Share on other sites
RacingManiac Posted November 13, 2010 Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 What is the advantage of an angled foregrip over a vertical one? Is it purely comfort or something else? It seems to me that a vertical foregrip would be much better in terms of weapon control yet everyone is making the transition to AFGs. Â Depends on how you are used to shooting with your VFG. If you are comfortable shooting VFG with a broomhandle kind of grip, then AFG is not for you. If you are using your VFG more like a "handstop" and employ some kind of thumb-break grip, AFG will be more natural than VFG in that respect. In airsoft I think the benefit is not as noticable, but in RS the thumb break grip is better for stabilizing the muzzle in rapid firing. Link to post Share on other sites
mimesis Posted November 13, 2010 Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 How did you tighten yours down? I have one and I've got it as tight as I can and it still has a slight bit of slop, not a big deal, but I'd like it to be as solid as possible. Do I really need the DD wrench key to fully tighten it down? Â It's probably to do with the thickness of the molding on the part of the outer barrel against which the barrel nut tightens, or the threading on your upper receiver. Â G&P and King Arms often send you those very thin silvery washers that fit on that part of the outer barrel, right underneath where the nut tightens, to bulk it up a bit. Â If there's more slop than that, then an O-ring of a suitable thickness and dimension is another solution. Obviously the goal is to have the end of the outer barrel held very tightly against the upper receiver, and the barrel nut likewise tight against the end of the outer barrel. Â I did shell out for the DD R.S. tool, but I don't believe it's necessary. I've never seen an Omega X nut, but I assume they're similar or identical to the AR15 Lite and RIS II ones. The tool fits perfectly on Mad Bull (and hence I would guess Socom Gear) replicas; it doesn't fit at all on G&P's version of the Lite on the Sentry. Link to post Share on other sites
Shift Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 (edited) It's probably to do with the thickness of the molding on the part of the outer barrel against which the barrel nut tightens, or the threading on your upper receiver. Â G&P and King Arms often send you those very thin silvery washers that fit on that part of the outer barrel, right underneath where the nut tightens, to bulk it up a bit. Â If there's more slop than that, then an O-ring of a suitable thickness and dimension is another solution. Obviously the goal is to have the end of the outer barrel held very tightly against the upper receiver, and the barrel nut likewise tight against the end of the outer barrel. Â I did shell out for the DD R.S. tool, but I don't believe it's necessary. I've never seen an Omega X nut, but I assume they're similar or identical to the AR15 Lite and RIS II ones. The tool fits perfectly on Mad Bull (and hence I would guess Socom Gear) replicas; it doesn't fit at all on G&P's version of the Lite on the Sentry. Ah yes, that is also another problem I have, there is also a lightly bit of wobble in my barrel now that wasn't there before. So an O-ring that would fit between the nut and the barrel should square away the problem? Will that also fix the little bit of slop in the RIS itself? It is a slight left to right rotation movement. I can't tell if it is the RIS rotating on the nut, or the nut itself rotating. Would thread lock be best to fix this? Â Thanks Edited November 14, 2010 by Shift Link to post Share on other sites
mimesis Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 (edited) Ah yes, that is also another problem I have, there is also a lightly bit of wobble in my barrel now that wasn't there before. So an O-ring that would fit between the nut and the barrel should square away the problem? Will that also fix the little bit of slop in the RIS itself? It is a slight left to right rotation movement. I can't tell if it is the RIS rotating on the nut, or the nut itself rotating. Would thread lock be best to fix this?  Thanks   I'd attack it incrementally. First try an O-ring and see how it feels. The O-ring, if successful, should tighten up the fit of the barrel in the receiver.  The other recommendation, if you don't have one already, would be to get and install a fake gas tube. AFAIK, the mounting plate behind the barrel nut is more or less free to rotate, and is stopped from doing so by (i) how tight you do up the six bolts between the end of the rail and the plate, and (ii) the gas tube going through the seventh hole and into the hole in the front of the upper receiver.  If after that you still have problems, perhaps try some Loctite, but this ^^ should do the trick. Edited November 14, 2010 by mimesis Link to post Share on other sites
Shift Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 (edited) I'd attack it incrementally. First try an O-ring and see how it feels. The O-ring, if successful, should tighten up the fit of the barrel in the receiver. Â The other recommendation, if you don't have one already, would be to get and install a fake gas tube. AFAIK, the mounting plate behind the barrel nut is more or less free to rotate, and is stopped from doing so by (i) how tight you do up the six bolts between the end of the rail and the plate, and (ii) the gas tube going through the seventh hole and into the hole in the front of the upper receiver. Â If after that you still have problems, perhaps try some Loctite, but this ^^ should do the trick. Â Cool, will do. I already have a fake gas tube in there as it is the Omega X FSP RIS so it'd look funny with out one. I will give the O-ring and loctite a try. Thanks, I think I've taken this thread off topic enough. Edited November 14, 2010 by Shift Link to post Share on other sites
BrooklynBorn Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 My SFW project is nearly done  Trigger Happy suppressor? Or homemade? I don't know any brands that make a Surefire replica. Link to post Share on other sites
uba Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 Trigger Happy suppressor? Or homemade? I don't know any brands that make a Surefire replica.  Might be the same ones Perr Mike was dealing ("homemade"). At least I got a similar one through him. Anywho, nice SFW you´ve got there boomheadshot. Makes me miss my own that I sold  Now back to pics:     Didn´t really expect that DE DD-rail to be so "bling bling". Guess I have to paint it. Link to post Share on other sites
SteevoLS Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 Slap some DE furniture on there and you'd have a nice color balance. Link to post Share on other sites
BrooklynBorn Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 Might be the same ones Perr Mike was dealing ("homemade"). At least I got a similar one through him. Anywho, nice SFW you´ve got there boomheadshot. Makes me miss my own that I sold    Didn´t really expect that DE DD-rail to be so "bling bling". Guess I have to paint it.  Gah would have loved to get in on that.  And NICE setup. So simple, yet so elegant. Link to post Share on other sites
slu Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 (edited) WTF?Shane - What type of RIS is that? It looks like the one in the attached pic, but not too sure (as I suck at ID'ing stuff...). If it is I want one! Â In the photo you attached, that was an early Daniel Defense M4 RIS II, never really produced. The most similar current model is called the "RIS II M4 FSP." Here: http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=134 Edited November 15, 2010 by slu Link to post Share on other sites
uba Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Slap some DE furniture on there and you'd have a nice color balance.  Yeah, you could say it´s a bit like "alone in the dark" ATM Link to post Share on other sites
raito Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Well here's mine, excuse the crappy phone cam,nothing special, just an AGM GBBR, set up as a grunt's rifle... only rs part is the bfa  Link to post Share on other sites
farfromahero Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 How is the agm gbbr? I've been on the fence of picking one up for a little bit now. Link to post Share on other sites
Noveske Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 How is the agm gbbr? I've been on the fence of picking one up for a little bit now. Â Here's my 2 cents: Â No. No. No. I don't recommend them. They aren't well built. When you have a GBBR, you have lots of mechanical parts. Wear and tear is innevitable. That's an afterthought when it comes to ACM products. My friend has gone through 2 of these already, each one spending hoards of cash trying to fix. Another problem with the China GBBRs are that parts (even ACM ones), don't fit in as replacements 100%. Lots of time has to be spent tuning and setting up parts just to work with other parts. Â If you want to stick with the WA M4 GBBR platform, the best valued one I've seen to date is King Arms. They're the latest into the game, which is a good thing as they've worked out a lot of the problems other manufacturers had previously experienced. I've heard that the VFC/Socom gear platform is gaining popularity as well, but replacement parts are still not as widely available as the WA platform. Link to post Share on other sites
aznriptide859 Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 ^Pretty much that lol. It's more acceptable to use ACM AEG bases and building from there, but for GBBR's where tolerance matters, going into ACM GBBR's isn't worth it - better to shell out more for an initial base then work from there. Link to post Share on other sites
raito Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 Well I haven't had any problems with mine once I got those 3 upgrades, and its a cheap platform to learn and mess about with, Now I've got an Ino M4 on order... Link to post Share on other sites
cstrikeman Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Link to post Share on other sites
G-rar Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 AEG form my cousin: Â Â Â Link to post Share on other sites
Genome Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 (edited) Just did an overhaul with my AR. Almost there. I need some suggestions. Â Next items I will be getting are: Magpul RVG Foliage Green 6.03mm TB 10.5" barrel. Magpul ACS stock FG Â Thinking of a PEQ box which company makes a decent one? Edited November 17, 2010 by Genome Link to post Share on other sites
G36fanatic... Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 Too.... Many... Modern AR's. Lets take a step back in time =D Â Hehe, got that right! Â Â Although I do still very much like modern ARs for there ergonomics. Link to post Share on other sites
oRb Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 (edited) So true! Let's get back to late 80s/early 90s!  My Custom Bomber GBB   Oh and Prowin V2 Magazines = epic win!  Regards  orb Edited November 18, 2010 by oRb Link to post Share on other sites
huntER_HuntED Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 Love it! Im getting a CA M15A2 carbine very shortly as well! Tempted to get a UGL on it Link to post Share on other sites
hwagan Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 What's this? Old school? Alrighty then... Â Â Â 'scuse the CQBR sling mount, that's kind of a necessity... And i forgot to take the magpul off for the photo. Oh well. Link to post Share on other sites
kojak Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 Enough of that. Â Â Link to post Share on other sites
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