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All these QC issues have completely put me off the Masada - I'll stick to Magpul'd M4's, and i think reading through this thread, PTS probably should as well.

 

Quite dissapointed :(

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All these QC issues have completely put me off the Masada - I'll stick to Magpul'd M4's, and i think reading through this thread, PTS probably should as well.

 

Quite dissapointed :(

Have to agree the QC stuff is a little worrying, certainly not something that I envisaged after playing with the pre-production models.

 

I think it would be interesting to see how many units have been sold now and what the failure rate is per thousand or something, although we have no figures from other AEG manufactorers so the numbers would be pointless and hearsay on reliability would remain rife.

 

The upshot of it for me is that Magpul PTS are the type of company who will improve the product and will certainly offer a warranty/aftermarket assistance on the Masada - how many other airsoft manufactorers do this, or do this well?

 

Another point being hopefully that the feedback on things like missing parts/quality control etc will filter back to the companies doing the assembly of this and 'should' improve for future batches/versions etc.

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Also just to add to this, can somebody more technically competent that me start the 'Magpul PTS Masada Serial Number' website or database, I think this would certainly help spot any trends and would only need to contain basic info such as - 'Serial No.' 'Colour' 'Name' 'Country' 'Remarks' etc etc

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Have to agree the QC stuff is a little worrying, certainly not something that I envisaged after playing with the pre-production models.

 

I think it would be interesting to see how many units have been sold now and what the failure rate is per thousand or something, although we have no figures from other AEG manufactorers so the numbers would be pointless and hearsay on reliability would remain rife.

 

The upshot of it for me is that Magpul PTS are the type of company who will improve the product and will certainly offer a warranty/aftermarket assistance on the Masada - how many other airsoft manufactorers do this, or do this well?

 

Another point being hopefully that the feedback on things like missing parts/quality control etc will filter back to the companies doing the assembly of this and 'should' improve for future batches/versions etc.

 

I'm really hoping PTS pick up on all these issues and improve them, but there's still a few things that'd hold me back from spending the £400 on one;

 

Firstly; ARES internals - I really don't understand why PTS went with ARES considering their previous reputation - Even if the guts are generally okay, a lot of people (me included) will be put off by the fact it's an ARES internally. When they've got G&P producing their MOE carbines now, why not have them do the Masada box as well? I'm sure that'd put a lot more people at ease.

 

Secondly - QC, which is an obvious one. For something this hyped up, that was supposed to be the ultimate AEG, i can't understand how PTS could have possibly risked custom by allowing models out of the factory with missing parts and issues out the box.

 

Lastly - The price. For something that costs £400, i can't excuse the faults. I'm sure plenty of people's Masadas are fine, but £400 is a lot of money to gamble with; Especially so considering in a lot of cases, £400 or a little over will buy you two M4's, or two Mp5's, etc.

 

Don't get me wrong, the PTS is clearly going to sell to people who have to have a Masada - But £400 will buy an awful lot of proven, reliable gun. The modularity aspect isn't unique either; Say for example the Masada, the adjustable stock, 2 barrel sets and the RIS system cost around £650 - For £650, you can get a G&P M4, an extra metal body kit, a longer outer/ tightbore inner barrel and a rail system, and a CTR stock, and some extra accessories - Which gives you a modular platform for the same money with extra cool bits and spare parts left over to sell and recover some costs or spend on additional sighting. Sort the gearbox for 330fps for CQB, and with the longer tightbore in the longer upper assembly, you'll have a little extra poke for woodland.

 

The Masada is a great concept, but i really don't think it's as ground-breaking as it's touted to be. All this is of course my opinion, and everyone's going to see things differently - Especially huge fans of the Masada - I just don't think it's turned out to be as amazing as we were led to believe.

 

Which is a shame, because it looks frikkin' awesome :(

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As far as the ARES comment goes the latest rumor is that it is an ARES design but G&P are doing the actual manufacturing.

 

 

So why ARES hop rubbers instead of G&P ones? No G&P hop rubber is manufactured translucent; Why would they go and make a proprietary hop rubber that looks exactly like one manufactured by ARES?

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Maybe just the gearbox is G&P and the rest is subcontracted to other companies? I wont say where I got my info from but following the chain it seems legitimate and short of following trucks around china I don't think we really have a way of confirming.

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Nah, anyone familiar with G&P would be able to see a total lack of their quality in the PTS Masada. G&P gearbox shells are lovely and their internal parts are solid.

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Update on my problem of not feeding correctly when fired on full auto!

 

It seems as though the problem is with the Zero one .25 bbs I was using in it. I switched to some higher quality .2s and it works flawlessly on both Full and Semi, shame as I haven't had any problems with the rounds in my M4 or my M14 and I have about 30,000 left to go through! Looks like I will have to get some new ammo especially for the ACR!

 

Will try get hold of some other .25s to make sure its not the weight causing problems and is the quality!

 

Here's some ###### quality photo's to!

 

 

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I've been using TSD .28g BBs and Toytec .25g BBs through my gun. They feed great :P

 

Wish people would just stop cluttering this thread with whoever made this and that and concentrate more on addressing particular issues with the gun.

 

I replaced a bit of parts in my PTS Masada ACR with ones that I like (not because the stock parts crapped out). Gun was shooting fine on semi and full auto with an 11.1v 1200mah 25C lipo when the gun was stock but I didn't like the slight whine. I've since switched to using 9.6v 1600mah NIMH mini battery. My gun is still chugging...no firing issues.

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Maybe just the gearbox is G&P and the rest is subcontracted to other companies? I wont say where I got my info from but following the chain it seems legitimate and short of following trucks around china I don't think we really have a way of confirming.

 

No way this is G&P. I owned 2 G&P which I fully opened, and there is a clear trend that differentiates G&P from others, which I didn't find in this ACR. On the other hand I do own an Ares, and it looks (and sounds) suspiciously similar.

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Wish people would just stop cluttering this thread with whoever made this and that and concentrate more on addressing particular issues with the gun.

 

I replaced a bit of parts in my PTS Masada ACR with ones that I like (not because the stock parts crapped out). Gun was shooting fine on semi and full auto with an 11.1v 1200mah 25C lipo when the gun was stock but I didn't like the slight whine. I've since switched to using 9.6v 1600mah NIMH mini battery. My gun is still chugging...no firing issues.

+1

 

Plenty of people chatting about their Masadas now, how about some pimped pictures aswell? ;)

 

 

Also anybody made that serial number website yet?............

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If yours A UK user of the Masada.

 

What Type of BB would you use, where would i purchase it from.

Still having feeding issues on full auto, or should i just accept lowering the battery. 11v Lipo to 9.6 or 8.4 mini

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If yours A UK user of the Masada.

 

What Type of BB would you use, where would i purchase it from.

Still having feeding issues on full auto, or should i just accept lowering the battery. 11v Lipo to 9.6 or 8.4 mini

PTS say use a 8.4v, I used and will continue to use a 7.4v lipo - I'd just accept using a lower voltage battery more fitting to the UK power limits and internal set up of the gun tbh.

 

BB wise I used THESE 0.2gs and THESE in 0.25gs did not have any problems with either.

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I'm really disappointed in all these poor reviews of the masada. I'm in the market for a new AEG and was really hoping this would be it. I've also heard that ARES has drastically improved their parts. Somebody please convince me to buy this gun, lord knows i want to.

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PTS say use a 8.4v, I used and will continue to use a 7.4v lipo - I'd just accept using a lower voltage battery more fitting to the UK power limits and internal set up of the gun tbh.

 

BB wise I used THESE 0.2gs and THESE in 0.25gs did not have any problems with either.

 

Awesome. Think i'm gonna try different types of lipo/battery and see if that changes the feeding issues. But if the 7.4 Lipo Does the Trick, Not much Money to Buy one. tongue.gif

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Also wanted to know.

 

Can i fit Madbull Hop-up 3&1, Tracer Unit.

 

Does the King Arms Hi Cap mag Fit and Feed with the Masada. Are there any other Hi-cap Mag, Tokyo Marui M4 mag?

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I'm really disappointed in all these poor reviews of the masada. I'm in the market for a new AEG and was really hoping this would be it. I've also heard that ARES has drastically improved their parts. Somebody please convince me to buy this gun, lord knows i want to.

 

 

Buy it.

 

Its Bloody Solid, No wobbles and i feel like its so hard to brake. Also the benefits of changing the Spring FPS, Externals, Wood or CQB with out going to a shop and Paying a man to do it.

 

Change the internal, Extra £200 prometheus set wink.gif

 

 

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Buy it.

 

Its Bloody Solid, No wobbles and i feel like its so hard to brake. Also the benefits of changing the Spring FPS, Externals, Wood or CQB with out going to a shop and Paying a man to do it.

 

Change the internal, Extra £200 prometheus set wink.gif

 

 

 

Ok, none of that post made any sense. What?

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Buy it.

 

Its Bloody Solid, No wobbles and i feel like its so hard to brake. Also the benefits of changing the Spring FPS, Externals, Wood or CQB with out going to a shop and Paying a man to do it.

 

Change the internal, Extra £200 prometheus set wink.gif

 

 

 

 

i just feel like i could find a cheaper gun with better internals (i.e. kwa m4 sr10)

 

i could take that extra 200 and do some serious customization

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