my_plague_666 Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 took the words right out my mouth. down with the EBR XD Link to post Share on other sites
1cem4n Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 i dont' know why people always bash the EBR, think of it as an entirely different gun. it's like trying to compare an M4 to a SR-25. Link to post Share on other sites
Bengali Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 thats what i have been saying since it was first released by star. i love it. its a beautiful gun. but it doesnt warrent the M14 label. theres more difference between the M14 and the sopmod than there is between an M14 and the M1 Garand. so why does the Sopmod not get its own label? its not an M14 its something new, and should be treated as such Link to post Share on other sites
hendrix Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 thats what i have been saying since it was first released by star. i love it. its a beautiful gun. but it doesnt warrent the M14 label. theres more difference between the M14 and the sopmod than there is between an M14 and the M1 Garand. so why does the Sopmod not get its own label? its not an M14 its something new, and should be treated as such <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Â Â umm the SOPMOD has a lot more in common with the m14 than the m14 does with a garand. Link to post Share on other sites
vietnammarine Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 ASC M14 STAR M14 SOPMOD Â For both of them compatible mags. Â OT: M1897 Trench Gun Link to post Share on other sites
StarMonkee Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 (edited) Well I've posted it in the painted section might as well post it here  TOM SOCOM   Edited May 6, 2007 by StarMonkee Link to post Share on other sites
Bengali Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 umm the SOPMOD has a lot more in common with the m14 than the m14 does with a garand. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Â Â Â if you look at it from the perspective of someone who isnt part of the gun community the M14 is obviously the child of the M1, but the sopmod bares little to no resembalence to the M14, sure they use the same magazine, but other than that what else would let, say, my mum realise they were both M14's Link to post Share on other sites
msx361 Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Most mums at first glance would probably think they were the same. Saying that my mum has difficulty telling a DE and m9 apart. Link to post Share on other sites
sekiryu Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 (edited) but the sopmod bares little to no resembalence to the M14, sure they use the same magazine  Only the same magazine? More like the entire gas system, trigger, bolt, reciever, operating rod, charging handle, bolt catch, overall mechanism.  The SOPMOD M14 is an M14 with its stock removed, and the whole mechanism placed in a seperate stock, and the barrel cut down. It's still an M14. Edited May 6, 2007 by sekiryu Link to post Share on other sites
Chrissyg Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 Yes...but not externally. Your average Joe Bloggs isnt going to open up an M14 SOPMOD to check what parts are similar if hes asked "which looks like it came from an M1, this *holds up M14* or this *holds up SOPMOD*" Â I rest my case.. Link to post Share on other sites
Lithium Jack Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 But Bengali's point was that it  doesnt warrent the m14 label. Of course it does, it's an M14.  Just like an SVI / Hi-Cap is still a 1911. Link to post Share on other sites
my_plague_666 Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 thats what i have been saying since it was first released by star. i love it. its a beautiful gun. but it doesnt warrent the M14 label. theres more difference between the M14 and the sopmod than there is between an M14 and the M1 Garand. so why does the Sopmod not get its own label? its not an M14 its something new, and should be treated as such <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Â yay, someone with my viewpoint! i refuse to call an EBR an M14. Â and lithium jack, i dissagree. hicappas still look similar the only obvious similarity between an EBR and an M14 is the mag... so by your reasoning an SR47 is a kalashnikov variant as it uses 7.62 AK mags Link to post Share on other sites
Arghoslent93 Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 But surely an EBR is an M14, after all that's the gun upon which its' based? Aesthetically it's different, sure, but aren't the internals and thus the operation of the gun the same? Just like 1911s and 2011s are the same gun internally, it's just that they look different on the outside. The premise and operation is basically identical. Â It's like having a baking apple and regular apple, they might be used for different purposes but they are still apples nonetheless. Â Bad example I know, but I was just illustrating my point. Link to post Share on other sites
my_plague_666 Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 ...so an AKS74u is an RPK74??? theyre both built off of an AK74 system, but that doesnt make a compact assult rifle the same thing as a SAW Link to post Share on other sites
Arghoslent93 Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 I didn't say that it did. If you refer to my last post, you will see that I said that they are externally different guns, and that they have different purposes, but the basic idea is the same. An EBR is better in CQB situations, and an M14 is more suited for engagements at longer ranges, but the EBR is still an M14, it just happens to have been modified for a different purpose. You might not agree with it being an M14, but that's exactly what it is. Â From http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?n...article&sid=608 : Â Apparently, the M14 EBR/M1A EBR was developed to win a five-year Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane Division (Crane NSWC) contract to supply the U.S. Naval Special Warfare (SPECWAR) and Marine Corps communities (perhaps MCSOCOM and Force Recon units) with a SPECOPS-ready SOPMOD accessory-compatible M14 rifle/carbine. The M14 Enhanced Battle Rifle (or M1A Enhanced Battle Rifle) should prove particularly effective in the CQB (Close Quarters Battle) and short-to-medium range interdiction (sniping) roles in urban warfare/combat environments. Â If that doesn't prove my point, I don't know what will. Link to post Share on other sites
my_plague_666 Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 sorry, you must have misunderstood me. i was saying that i think EBRs have so little M14 left in them that they dont DESERVE the name M14. Â and yes, you did basicly say that an RPK and AKS74u are essentially the same. as they are internally pretty much the same (some slight differences), fire the same ammunition, built from an AK74. but they look VERY different and perform very different roles Link to post Share on other sites
sekiryu Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 obvious similarity between an EBR and an M14 is the mag  And the gas tube, and the receiver, and the bolt, and the charging handle, and the operating rod, M14-specific flashhider.....those are all obvious similarities as well. Link to post Share on other sites
Fellowz Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 not to mention the original markings from springfield armoury. Link to post Share on other sites
lineman66 Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007  For a M1A Scout look  Thanks go to TheLair for sending it out first.  -TM M14 OD painted black with krylon -PDI short outer barrel -Prometheus tightbore -Prometheus MS110 spring -Systema Metal Bushings Link to post Share on other sites
flec Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 I a new RDS on her   heres the old optics   Kind like the scope better Link to post Share on other sites
RSP1 Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 ...so an AKS74u is an RPK74??? theyre both built off of an AK74 system, but that doesnt make a compact assult rifle the same thing as a SAW <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Â No. They are not the same. But they are both AKs. Â flec, I say keep the scope on. Link to post Share on other sites
5 to 1 Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 (edited) sorry, you must have misunderstood me. i was saying that i think EBRs have so little M14 left in them that they dont DESERVE the name M14. and yes, you did basicly say that an RPK and AKS74u are essentially the same. as they are internally pretty much the same (some slight differences), fire the same ammunition, built from an AK74. but they look VERY different and perform very different roles <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  WTF are you talking about? The EBR is just a different style of stock. It is still an M14.You can take an EBR, pull out the receiver and put all that back into the old stock and you have a regular M14 and vice versa.Its like saying that you take an M16, put the RAS like the M16A4 and saying its not an M16. Edited May 8, 2007 by 5 to 1 Link to post Share on other sites
boomboomairsoft Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 will you nancies please just shut the *fruitcage* up, take all your bitchin and useless posts that dont have pics to p.m.'s Link to post Share on other sites
Brakoo Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Here is my new pride and joy ! Â Â Credit for the picture goes to the original owner. I still need some flipup covers for the scope and to install the QD silencer that I bought for it. At that point I will just be missing a few things internally and all I'll have to do is to go out there and kick some butt ! Link to post Share on other sites
trfo2o Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 a cheek rest and sniper veil would look sweet Link to post Share on other sites
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