Skarclaw Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Mehlers still have soft armour in the collar, must don't include the body plates, when they do they are really expensive. If anybody wants a mehler pm me, cause I think I might sell it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seraphim989 Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Ya mehlers have a kevlar collar and pockets for a front and back plate. I only got one because I found an almost perfect condition one for $150 hehehe. That was an awesome deal. The only thing I don tlke about it is the lack of space for water. You can put canteen pouches on the front but they move around a lot. Im probably going to get a flecktarn pack to put a camelbak into. Can anyone direct to where I can find a flecktarn hydration carrier? Not a full backpack but just a carrier? I saw obiwan had one in the first few pages of this thread but I havent found anything on the web the several times Ive searched. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AdmittingSword Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Something like this? http://www.asmc.de/de/Outdoor-Survival/Tri...-3-Liter-p.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seraphim989 Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Yes I suppose so. Thanks. The germans need to make an IdZ compatible hydration carrier. The hotshot they use now looks kinda out of place Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seraphim989 Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Sorry for the double post but it wont let me edit my last one anymore. Anyways onto the Mehler. Before anyone thinks Im just doing a halfarsed German loadout, I have picked non issued equipment when I find it to be better than the issued counterparts. Or, in the case of the goggles that I never use, cheaper. Bonus points to anyone who recognizes the black and white shoulder patches And finally, my weekend warrior loadout: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psycho Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Ahh the old tactical hammock havent seen one in a while Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordOfTheFinns Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Seraphim, do you have the actual mehler kevlar inserts in your ST vest? If yes, could you please make a size/form comparison between the mehler kevlars and the old flak vest kevlars? Just wondering if the old kevlars would fit inside the ST. I could get a prime condition ST vest without the kevlar inserts for about 70€ shipped, and the older flak vest would cost me 12 euros. Much cheaper than getting the vest with original mehler inserts (~180€). Anyway, nice pics. What kind of helmet are you wearing? Judging by the chin straps it's not the standard BW one? Or is it just the lighting/camera that makes them look different? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seraphim989 Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Im kinda confused as to what you are referring to. The Mehler has kevlar in its collar and spaces to take ceramic plates but other than that I dont think it takes other armor. I might be wrong though. Please clarify a bit. About my helmet, it's a PASGT with an issue cover and upgraded suspension. Ive been thinking about getting the BW three point chinstrap though. The helmets are almost exactly the same shape, the PASGt is just much easier to find Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordOfTheFinns Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 (edited) The ST style vest _should_ have pockets just like the flak vest to accommodate large, soft kevlar inserts. I've seen a friend's vest and it had velcro or zipper openings (can't remember which) at the bottom. I know it has the armor plate pockets as well. But generally, they are sold either without any protection, with SK1 protection level, or with SK1+SK4 protection levels, which suggests it has soft and hard armouring separately. As you may know, SK1 is the german protection level designation for shrapnel protection (the standard flak vest is SK1) and SK4 means hard ceramic plates(/SAPI plates?). Edited July 20, 2009 by LordOfTheFinns Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 My ST has one large pocket on each side, I assume that you put the soft armour in which goes in the chest and also around the side, then slot in the solid armour. As far as I can tell, there are no seperate pockets for soft armour. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordOfTheFinns Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Came across this picture of the SK1 inserts for the ST style vest: Pic. Seems pretty similar to the ones in the flak vest, so they might actually be interchangeable. Are you guys actually telling me your vests don't have any spaces for these? I didn't guite understand what Skarclaw meant by pockets on the sides and things in the chest area going around the sides etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seraphim989 Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 (edited) Ill check when I get home but I dont remember any other pockets for soft armor. Also, Ive put real plate into mine before and it is a very tight fit. I do not see how you could fit soft armor into those pockets along with the plates. Now that i look at it there are in fact two strips of velcro along the bottom edge of the inside of the vest. It can fit the standard soft armor panels behind the ceramic plates Edited July 20, 2009 by Seraphim989 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Came across this picture of the SK1 inserts for the ST style vest: Pic. Seems pretty similar to the ones in the flak vest, so they might actually be interchangeable. Are you guys actually telling me your vests don't have any spaces for these? I didn't guite understand what Skarclaw meant by pockets on the sides and things in the chest area going around the sides etc. Basically you have one large pocket on the front and on the back the same shape as that soft armour in your post. I assume you'd be able to put hard armour on the other side of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seraphim989 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) Actually thats not correct. The pouches for the plates are rectangular and are on the outside of the vest the spaces for the soft armor are accessible by a velcro strip that runs the entire width of the the vest. it look sto be made to fit BALCS cut soft armor like this Ive heard the FLAK vest uses a six panel configuration for its kevlar so I dont think ti would fit in the mehler Edited July 21, 2009 by Seraphim989 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordOfTheFinns Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) Ive heard the FLAK vest uses a six panel configuration for its kevlar so I dont think ti would fit in the mehler The flak vest has indeed six kevlar panels: Two for the collars, two for the shoulder pads and two for the main body (front and back). The main panels are quite similar in size and form to the Mehler inserts. EDIT: Here's some of my flecktarn awesomeness from fall 2008: Edited July 21, 2009 by LordOfTheFinns Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seraphim989 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Ah I thought it meant there were six panels in the torso. In that case, if the two front and back panels are similar to the BALCS cut then they should fit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Yeah just looked at mine closer, I rememeber seeing the front and back armour inserts, totally forgot about them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nickless Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 The soft armor inserst for the Mehler vest have a unique cut that is similar to neither the one of the flak vest panels nor BALCS-cut panels: You can see that the bottom of the panels is arched, which is not the case for other panels. You can, however, fit flak vest panels into the Mehler vest, if you have a medium-short flak vest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seraphim989 Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 (edited) Aww man nickless. I saw that you were the most recent reply and you got my all excited to see some awesome pictures. Oh well. I think I may pick up a flak vest earlier than I expected Edited July 22, 2009 by Seraphim989 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phoenix Posted August 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 I started this thread 4 years ago and here I am looking for ideas to redo my kit when I finally get back into playing again. Looking into some IdZ stuff, but wondering what pouches I would need to get for a SAW gunner setup with a M249 (I know its not an MG4 but I can hope for a conversion kit??) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Panzergraf Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 I've got flak-vest soft inserts in my Mehler, and while it's not a perfect fit, it does work. Phoenix: Flecktarn.co.uk has some LMG pouches, these also fit M249 box mags. They also fit two double G36 mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FELDJAGER Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phoenix Posted August 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 What rail is that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FELDJAGER Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 its a g36c rail chopped to look more like the KA1 rail, because sadly i cant afford a real one. I believe its fairly common practice around here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phoenix Posted August 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Would you happen to have a closeup of it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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