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UrPeaceKeeper, talking about that USMC DMR stock makes me want one, but I bet the chances are pretty slim they will ever make one.

 

About the FPS issue, you are totally right.

In Belgium, the limit is 350fps with .20gr BBs, but like you said, using a heavier BB on the field with a GBB replica will sometimes dramaticaly increase the muzzle energy... It's a problem that nobody seems to bother here...

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The discrepancy in energy with regards to using different ammo weight in GBBs was discussed in a local forum before. Unlike on an AEG where the propellant is practically constant, a GBB with a floating valve (npas) system will have the valve close at varied intervals. The fps trend should be consistent with that of an AEG if the floating valve were to close at similar intervals releasing the same amount of gas independent of the bb weight, but because it is the presence of the bb that determines when the valve closes, and a heavier bb will take more energy to move because of its greater inertial resistance, will have more power behind it while moving at relatively close speeds to the lighter bb. This is why my WE M4 will do 430fps on .20g up to .25g bbs and why most any GBB will have better flight characteristics using heavier bbs without necessarily sacrificing range because you actually gain power (rather, use more gas).

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As for replicas rattling themselves apart I have only seen this on at home installed DTG conversion kits. I've owned AGMs, WOCs, GHKs, WE SCAR, SPs, Escort modifed SPs, AS4L modified SPs, and heavily used DTG built replicas, and never had a replica rattle itself apart. Fliers, with all those replicas, were only present when there was a problem, typically related to a hop-up seating problem (or hop-up break in for escort hops), a valve efficiency problem, or air seal issues (including nozzle bite).

 

I hardly consider having to tighten 2 parts on a gun as "gun rattling apart themselves", specially when you proceed to say you never experienced this on AGM and WOCs ... You never saw a WOC have receiver wobble ... Seriously ........? :blink:

 

Again i never said that the problem with the the first BB coming out too hot was specifically because of high starting pressure, i just said it COULD be one of the reasons why that happens. I even gave the brand of the gas, Guarder Power Up Gas, which gives me >20fps more than pure propane ( and since i'm in Portugal and we have very nice summers with 35~40C temperatures is very easy to get those results).

Hell i've experienced this problem WAAAAY before i even started playing airsoft when i still played paintball. This was a very common problem with markers who used unregulated co2 caplets, as you use the marker/co2 caplet it starts to "freeze" which would make the co2 turn into liquid which would then proceed to spill into the barrel, re-expand and give abnormal readings. This can happen with any gas ...

 

Funny for you to talk about the Tanaka since the M40 does this all the time with propane on very warm days, sometimes it even happens with the external rig on cold days ( the coiled hose just isn't enough to prevent the liquid co2 spill into the barrel on very cold days ).

 

 

Havign nly briefly owned the WE SCARs I never experienced fliers, one of the SCARs I owned became a paperweight very shortly after purchase (AB was out of parts), and the other was only in my possession for a month. If that is something to expect out of WEs than that is not good to hear.

 

Maybe it wasn't your intention but this just makes me wonder if you just have a grudge on WE's and make all your judgments based on that ;)

I won't blame it on ya, even i think that the original hop-up unit and AR mags are just ###### poor and i have a personal grudge against all WA based design ( why make new weapons based on a flawed design ?! ).

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Seems that Guarder gas is Red Gas ET-1600 (the weaker type), anyway an airsoft gas magazine shouldn't explode like that it only shows bad design and/or poor materials from the manufacturer, for me WE never! Let's see if this M14 is "the best gbb rifle" from the "leading airsift manufacturer"... lol

 

And the WA M4 works very well until people to decide to use a stronger gas for that its designed for...

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Seems that Guarder gas is Red Gas ET-1600 (the weaker type), anyway an airsoft gas magazine shouldn't explode like that it only shows bad design and/or poor materials from the manufacturer, for me WE never! Let's see if this M14 is "the best gbb rifle" from the "leading airsift manufacturer"... lol

 

And the WA M4 works very well until people to decide to use a stronger gas for that its designed for...

 

And i see another thread degenerating into another manufacturer ###### contest ... hooray :waggle:<_<

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Seriously, what did that even mean?

 

The mags don't explode! I use mine in the summer all the time, leave them in the car accidentally, they're fine.

 

I did read that when the WE M4 was released, there was a problem with the mags. Then they brought out the new V2 M4 mags, and I haven't heard anything bad since.

 

They also seemed to fixed the leaks - I have 5 here that have never leaked since the day I bought them.

 

Can anyone who doesn't own a WE/WA fanboys refrain from posting unless genuinely interested in buying one of these rifles, to lessen the spam? I'm finding it hard to browse the thread when every two pages someone else chimes in with a sarky comment about WE.

 

VFC guns are made in Taiwan too, you know ;)

 

I ask again - any more news on the M21/M14 DMR front? Really interested in one for my woodland loadout.

 

Ben.

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Seriously, what did that even mean?

It means he doesn't like the WE M14 because the first generation M4 mags were prone to exploding. This despite the fact that WE had long since addressed the issue with a stronger magazine design and even newer ones that are leak-free, and that this isn't even an M4 any more.

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Sorry for the confusion, my point is: WE doesn't impress me in any way, there is better products in the market (in my eyes). I don't hate WE, i just don't like what they did so far but i haven't see the M14!

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WE makes the only SCAR so there is no comparision, Hundson/UNC made a M14 but the WE is likely better than that and there is the GHK PDW...

 

And WE concern should internals wise and not the number of models they produce.

 

I think we should stop this now ok? Let's hear about the WE M14.

Edited by Firefly0

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On topic, I would like to report a mile stone for my M14, in that I was able to shoot 83 rounds on gas fill. Note that I loaded propane (Coleman brand) for 15 total seconds, and fired (1) 20 rd load and (3) 21 rd loads on that fill. It is also important to mention, that at the end of the session, the magazine was cold and sweaty...but still firing strong. I waited ten minutes, and dupilcated the test, and this time firing 84 rounds on one fill. Fire mode was semi-auto, firing in one second intervals or in rapid succession (alternating).

 

Not to bad...

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On topic, I would like to report a mile stone for my M14, in that I was able to shoot 83 rounds on gas fill. Note that I loaded propane (Coleman brand) for 15 total seconds, and fired (1) 20 rd load and (3) 21 rd loads on that fill. It is also important to mention, that at the end of the session, the magazine was cold and sweaty...but still firing strong. I waited ten minutes, and dupilcated the test, and this time firing 84 rounds on one fill. Fire mode was semi-auto, firing in one second intervals or in rapid succession (alternating).

 

Not to bad...

 

That sounds about right, like i said in my previous report, i was able to fire more than 70 rounds almost non stop ( just stopping to fill with BB's ). So shooting only in semi and/or short bursts should yield more BB's per fill.

Edited by danielsilva

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Just got me own M14 today. First impressions were pretty good running through 4 mags; I only wish the metal finish could have been better...

 

BTW, did anyone notice the receiver has a little jiggle in the stock? Its barely noticeable...but you can move the receiver forward and back a bit and I couldn't find a way to tighten it. Also, the flash hider is a pain to get off. The thread wont budge.

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Hundson/UNC made a M14 but the WE is likely better than that

 

 

 

From the sound of things that is debatable, although the WE is the only mass produced M14 and therefore superior in other ways.

 

I'm not a fanboy of either product, My WOC was pretty but shot like ###### beyond 30 yards *when* it worked, the WEs have not been much better. the only GBBs I have been satisfied with were the DTG modified SPs (never owned a pure DTG M4 conversion), and that was only satisfied, it shot well, blowback was great, and it was reliable as hell, but I couldn't dress it up the way I wanted.

 

As for the JAE stock, from my understanding a few companies are discussing making high quality gen 2 stocks in limited numbers for AEGs. With WE's history of attracting after market bodies and the like this gun is going to need to pick up in sales (I hope it does just for this) or we are going to have to wait a long time, if not it sounds like the real deal will fit ($699USD). I'm also hoping someone comes out with a JAE-700 stock for VSRs or Tanakas so I don't have to make a real one.

 

I'm seriosuly debating getting one of these or a VSR.... need some more info

 

Inner barrel, does it take VSR style barrels? Can the mag be modified for externally regulated gas like other WE mags? How often do you get "fliers" is it 1:5 or 1:20, has anyone tried KSC .30s in it yet (my asahi loves these and thus I have a metric ton, don't want to have to buy more of another brand)?

Edited by frogfish

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This is now next on my list, comes close to £400 shipped to UK with 4 spare mags though. Also the installation process for the RATECH NPAS looks rather involved, you need to permanently modify something. Has anyone got/installed one on their M14 and can say how it is? My only previous experience with RATECH is their dreadful MP7 NPAS which soon broke. It was, however, a drop in fit.

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Just got me own M14 today. First impressions were pretty good running through 4 mags; I only wish the metal finish could have been better...

 

BTW, did anyone notice the receiver has a little jiggle in the stock? Its barely noticeable...but you can move the receiver forward and back a bit and I couldn't find a way to tighten it. Also, the flash hider is a pain to get off. The thread wont budge.

 

 

The 'jiggle' becomes more pronounced over time...just stay on top of the screw tightening and you should be fine.

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Screw Tightening? Im not too sure which ones you mean unless Im not looking in the right place XD. I mean the WHOLE upper assembly moves, it seems the stock has a little tolerance for the whole assembly

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This is now next on my list, comes close to £400 shipped to UK with 4 spare mags though. Also the installation process for the RATECH NPAS looks rather involved, you need to permanently modify something. Has anyone got/installed one on their M14 and can say how it is? My only previous experience with RATECH is their dreadful MP7 NPAS which soon broke. It was, however, a drop in fit.

 

The rear part of the nozzle needs modifying.

Had to do a similar thing in my PDW open bolt, its not hard to do.

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New one on me, what exactly is the procedure and where does the tape go?

 

I think he means folding elec tape a bunch of times a putting it between the front cap and the stock.

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Inner barrel, does it take VSR style barrels?

 

With some modifications to the barrel, yes.

 

Can the mag be modified for externally regulated gas like other WE mags?

 

If it's a gas mag with the reservoir in the mag it can be modified to use external rigs. Never encountered in all my paintball/airsoft experience a gas mag that i couldn't modify to use an external rig ( some of them require a bit more of work and creativity but ultimately all can be modified ).

I already sent one to the shop to be tapped :)

 

How often do you get "fliers" is it 1:5 or 1:20, has anyone tried KSC .30s in it yet (my asahi loves these and thus I have a metric ton, don't want to have to buy more of another brand)?

 

I only get fliers when i discharge ( continuous ) >3 mags worth of BB's using the same refill of gas, maybe 1 or 2 per mag ( 23 rounds ), if i pop a fresh mag and/or refill the mag with gas i don't have fliers.

 

And now for some pictures,

 

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Still waiting for the sight mount to arrive :(

 

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Interestingly you can already buy the tappet/part #09 in steel ( the original part is already made from steel, maybe from a lower grade of steel ) from Ra-tech .

 

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You can see the rubber buffer in the rear of the receiver, the "wear" that you can see here actually came from factory. I think that means two things, 1) they actually fire tested the thing 2) they actually tested it AND filed down some parts for better fitting. Either way it's interesting to see that the M14 at least has a better Q&C than my old guinea pig v1 M4.

 

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Although the bolt stop is made from a shiny material it passes the magnetic test so i suppose that is made from some grade of steel ( both parts are from steel btw ).

 

The trigger group,

 

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I haven't had the chance to completely disassemble the trigger group so i can't tell if there's any obvious point of failure or not. I'll try to post a disassembling "tutorial" later on as soon as i get the VSR barrel.

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