christhesecond Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Anybody know if the mk18 mod1 DD RAS systems that are being issued are all in tan or in black too? Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Anybody know if the mk18 mod1 DD RAS systems that are being issued are all in tan or in black too? The MK18 rail only comes in FDE. Link to post Share on other sites
christhesecond Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites
voodookid88 Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 hmm i saw a high speed operator in VB with a black one the other day..... HMMMMMMM........ BUT! i guess the SEAL gear gods have spoken. Link to post Share on other sites
AnasEK Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 BUT! i guess the SEAL gear gods have spoken. Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 DD only offers it in FDE according to their reps. They may have done smaller production runs in black on request, but all the information from DD is that it's FDE only. Also DD's Mk18 rail can sometimes be confused for the DD LITE rail, just saying. Voodoo, all I'm saying is that you could say "yeah I saw one in polka dots" and there's no backing that up. Not trying to *suitcase* on your word. Just sayin'. Chris for your question the answer still stands, it's FDE. It's a weird color, I have one sitting on my workbench right now for a real CQBR-style upper I'm putting together for a friend. Link to post Share on other sites
voodookid88 Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 my point being, ALOT of SEAL kit is FAR from being cut and dry.... Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 The point is the question was asking if the issued block 2 rails are FDE. And they are in fact FDE. There's always exceptions to the rules, but within the context of Chris' question, it's FDE. And now I remember why I stopped posting in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites
christhesecond Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 my point being, ALOT of SEAL kit is FAR from being cut and dry.... No *suitcase* Sherlock! Thanks for the info T. Want one from my WA CQBR but can't find one in FDE and prefer black. Might have to get black and paint the mother father now. Link to post Share on other sites
.carl. Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop/de...;product_id=111 If you go onto details, at the bottom of the page you will see the colour that SOCOM have approved, also states reason why the rail was created in the first place etc, jsut info for any one wanting to know a bit more about the rail system really. Anyone out there got any pics of there own Block2 yet, looking for some inspiration. Link to post Share on other sites
TheEgo Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Is a Block II barrel 10.3" or 10.5". Link to post Share on other sites
.carl. Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 10.5, however DD make a 9.5 and also a long version which im guessing is an old school standered 14.5 (I believe) NSW spec would be the 10.5 for the mk18 block 2 package. With this said they may get an operators choice depending on mission spec etc however that info would have to be said by someone who is a Team memeber etc. 10.5 is a safe bet tho. Link to post Share on other sites
Hispeed1 Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop/de...;product_id=111 If you go onto details, at the bottom of the page you will see the colour that SOCOM have approved, also states reason why the rail was created in the first place etc, jsut info for any one wanting to know a bit more about the rail system really. Anyone out there got any pics of there own Block2 yet, looking for some inspiration. @ Chris: as Titleist has said, USSOCOM has the DD MK 18 RIS II's in FDE. Spoke to a DD rep a while ago and asked why the FDE colors of their FDE M4/MK RIS II's differ sometimes, ie. golden tan, dark gold/bronze-and he said that's how their annodization process is, they're all not going to come our the same exact uniform color. @ Carl: here's my old Block 2 M4 CQBR project (MK 18). Below is a RS pic by from a fellow member here. If you want to know what accesories, etc. are on them you can PM me. RS Link to post Share on other sites
.carl. Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Hispeed1: Already know what is on the gats dude, and I must say they are looking sick! im loving the whole block 2 at the moment, did you have an impression to go with the gat, also like the ref pick you have posted of the real Team members, iv got it on my other laptop with the rest of the Gats that went with it some intresting kit there useing. Link to post Share on other sites
Hispeed1 Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Hispeed1: Already know what is on the gats dude, and I must say they are looking sick! im loving the whole block 2 at the moment, did you have an impression to go with the gat, also like the ref pick you have posted of the real Team members, iv got it on my other laptop with the rest of the Gats that went with it some intresting kit there useing. I have some gear-but I haven't posted any impression pics yet. I might later. Link to post Share on other sites
AnasEK Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Little bit of info for everyone to store in their memory banks... Straight from my ties at Blackhawk: Blackhawk did a large HPFU Contract for the SEALs. They had sizing issues with the first batch, and some were sent back, which delayed getting them into service. The HPFU's the SEAL's got are slightly different then the current commercially available ones. I was lucky enough to get all of these pieces from Blackhawk. Here's a comparison of the early gen Blackhawk HPFU ITS Combat Shirt to a Crye Precision Combat Shirt in AOR1. In the pictures Blackhawk has the darker velcro, Crye has the lighter. The last picture has Crye on the left, Blackhawk on the right. Link to post Share on other sites
Hispeed1 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Thanks for the pics Anas-I wish the AOR1 Crye Combat shirt was easier to get and cheaper. Saw one on eGey recently that sold for a bazillion dollars. I hope our friends back East get a clue and make some to sell. Link to post Share on other sites
PPM05 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Yep thanks for the cool comparison, greatly appreciated ! If you don't mind can you elaborate on the differences between the BHI commercial HPFU and the contract ones made for SEAL teams ? Link to post Share on other sites
greensta Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 nice pics and your a lucky guy too I must say i like the crye velcro placement and size more than the black hawk, but the darker pattern is nice. To put it another way, I wouldnt be fussed having either (if they were not a bazillion dollars *Hispeed1 source*) Link to post Share on other sites
AnasEK Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 ...can you elaborate on the differences... The overall velcro color is darker, the knee pads are ACU-style inserts instead of Crye style inserts, the zippers and mesh change fabric, etc. They are minute, I could study these things for days and probably not notice everything. This isn't to say SEAL's are not using the newer version, they are in the mix too, but this is a version not commercially available. Link to post Share on other sites
PianoBlack Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Little bit of info for everyone to store in their memory banks... Straight from my ties at Blackhawk: Blackhawk did a large HPFU Contract for the SEALs. They had sizing issues with the first batch, and some were sent back, which delayed getting them into service. The HPFU's the SEAL's got are slightly different then the current commercially available ones. I was lucky enough to get all of these pieces from Blackhawk. Here's a comparison of the early gen Blackhawk HPFU ITS Combat Shirt to a Crye Precision Combat Shirt in AOR1. In the pictures Blackhawk has the darker velcro, Crye has the lighter. The last picture has Crye on the left, Blackhawk on the right. For all those interested in a timeline regarding the BHI HPFU, BHI was awarded this contract during late 2007 or early 2008 as the Virginia Beach BHI representative brought in samples of the early HPFU uniform to my favorite Shore Drive store during that time period and was showing off the various features to one the people working there. He also spoke about opening a factory in the US for special orders, but that's neither here nor there. It's interesting to see the difference between the Crye and the BHI offering, and though I prefer the Crye version, both are prohibitively expensive. -Piano Link to post Share on other sites
AnasEK Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 and though I prefer the Crye version, both are prohibitively expensive. The thing to remember is that the Blackhawk set is expensive for a reason. The R&D cost to develop the ITS system was no doubt intensive, and each pant/jacket has 4 of them. The complexity of the design, mesh pockets, zippers everywhere, it was very well thought out. Holding it, I can tell why it retails for what it does. Crye's offering? Well it is expensive because it is Crye. It's nice, no doubt, but I don't think as well engineered as the HPFU. Link to post Share on other sites
Hispeed1 Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 And now to find an Crye AOR2 combat shirt... *frootcage!* EBB has a digital woodland MARPAT one, but the center section is tan and not OD. Wish it was. I might just mod a USMC MARPAT or CADPAT-wanting to make a modern woodland SEAL/US SF set-up with other than the old M88 woodland BDU. Link to post Share on other sites
Ghost Sandman Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 I know its not exactly the same as the Crye or Blackhawk AOR1, but Tru Spec has made a Combat Shirt I think looks close and isnt a bazillion dollars! lol http://www.opsgear.com/TRU-Combat-Shirt-p/atl-255.htm Link to post Share on other sites
KALASH69 Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Does anyone have that to validate that the patterns match up with issue AOR1/Marpat? Tru Spec fades quick doesnt it? Ive only ever had issue stuff so I wouldn't know, but that combat shirt is pretty cool. Link to post Share on other sites
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