blablabla Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 ok gents here it is then, Must say when I first opened up the box I was pretty surprised to say the least, externally it looks great,real great,the metal body is in my book up to par with after market metal kits for sure, like Creation and other high quality brands. Feels really sturdy and robust in you hand.nice heavy weight to it to I am being biased here, as I really like this oldskool *suitcase* but still the quality of the outside finish is amazing to say the least ! Here are the products to get it up and working, and maintain it Here are some obligatory pics with accessories, below that are three pics of an actual SOG member owned Browning and two pics of a West-German police issue Browning, with the slide rear sight. And even below that is Hannibal's HP, and he always loves it when a plan comes together !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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blablabla Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Now that we have the gunporn bit behind us, I will go to the workbench and start with the techstuff REMF told here earlier that the whole design from WE is based upon the Tanaka HP from some time ago, can't really comment on that because I don't own one and have never seen one, That part he said about the leaky mags, I can honestly say that I have filled mine dozens of times already and I have only had one leak so far, but that was my own fault cause I wasn't filling it the right way, fill-stop-fill-stop-... is the correct way, this way you prevent the fill valve from freezing up. I did one fill in one go, and sure it leaked because it was frozen solid, But it holds it gas fine, no signs of leaks on the top, side or bottom seal.Saying that, every runs car runs great from the start,it's only after you start putting on some mileage it starts acting up But after countless refills, nothing so far, The whole mag is rock solid, with good quality metal work and nice good heavy weight, much better finish the Chinese mags I've seen, And certainly up with TM and WA It did act up ask I made the mistake that everybody makes and shot it straight from the box with out lubing and greasing the HP up, but that was only the first 5 mags, after given her the treatment, it worked flawlessy The gas I used was just a generic bottle of green gas,that I huredly got from the shop, I normally use straight Coleman propane, The FPS measurements I got from three successive shots where, 275,280,289, room temp. quite good results I use Extreme precisions BB's, good quality bio's, I use them in my Type 56 to, and the shoot great! good smooth finish,no burrs whatsoever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blablabla Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Now the general build and look on the inside, Well having owned, both TM and WA with metal kits, I can say that the kind of metal used is not up there with the bog brands, but it holds it own, certainly for the price you are paying for this baby. I have completely disassembled it, and can say that the parts are a little to brittle and small,It does looks a system the was a little surpassed when it was made made, and systems like WA and TM, are much more workable and should hold up longer, But let's not compare apples and oranges here, It's not meant for a pistol only skirmish or trusty, through-and-through sidearm you run around it the field with, but a good backup nontheless. It's not a race gun either, It's a good shooter when you are the M60 gunner in your VN airsoft squad and you are about to be overrun by Charlie ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blablabla Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 And now for the bad news the barrel, hop up and barrel assembly Well what can I say, I must admit, it does shoot far and straight, again not as TM or WA, but good enough to have decent range in the dense airsoft jungle ! But with a slight arc in the trajectory, my TM shot like a laser now try and follow this, the barrel is held in place with a grub screw, the long one you can see on the left, which presses in the silver part and that in his turn presses on the brass barrel. that a bad system from the start to say the least and will lead to trouble, if you make it to tight you can make a indent in the brass barrel, as I did :? already, or lo loose and then the barrel will not be fixed It did not affect range or acccuracy but if you really overtighten it, it will make your barrel go to the bin for sure, Mind you, I already changed the silver part so that the grub screw tightens on that part instead of directly on the barrel, which is real bad !!! one turn to much and you destroy your barrel, no *suitcase* and no kidding. I can see you are thinking that you are thinking that the silver part should be reversed so that the hopup cut out can match with the screw, but it doesn't match To cut things short there is no actual hop up in this gun, the rubber is there to hold the BB in place and give a good seal around the BB so the gas can do it's work that's all. and the second hole and grub screw you say ? Well that screw I got from my part box, as there was no screw in it from the start! So I was being a smartass and thought I had figured it out how to get hopup, and be a killer !!!!! Well no way José, the grub screw exactly pushes on the inner most seal ring in the rubber, the one that holds the BB in place, I went out to test it, with a cheeky grin , but because it affects that innermost ring it starts overhopping and the BB starts dropping after a few meters, It actually shoots further without I use the word overhopping here, for lack of a better word, but it is wrong, that innermost ring is there to hold the BB in place to let the nozzle have a good seal, hop should occur after the give a good spin on the BB and have some range. So all of your pistol techs out there, if you have a solution for this and can give the pistol true hop, lemme know and please post up, But I think is shouldn't be an insurmountable problem, let the thinking begin PS, the barrel not having cutout could have given my a clue in the first place that it didn't have any hopup in the first place anyways tomorrow I'll have my first game of the year, so will test it out Greets Stef Quote Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Great review, and good of you to point out the hop problem. If the inner barrel doesn't extend to under the shorter screw (to support it) it couldn't really be used as a hop. It could be possible to use a TM inner barrel and modify a TM hop. Other than that, maybe bodge on Marushin LD2 hop by drilling a hole a couple inches forward the chamber and putting a sheet of rubber with an o-ring over it to provide tension. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TeowneD Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 nice review, could you please update us after your skirmish about its cold weather performance, thanks. -brendan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stodgey Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Also, have you tested it with propane at all?? I MUST have one *drool* Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Panoptes Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Good review. I only want the MkIII for nostalgia reasons so it's all good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pugwash Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Good review. I only want the MkIII for nostalgia reasons so it's all good. I agree about the MKlll it would be great, I think i'll leave it a while and see how well they do in the long run. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cptdarling506 Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Mine turned up in the post this morning. Been blasting since. Briefly its an improved Tanaka,made of metal,with the same 'orrible trigger. I used my heat shrink tube fix to gain a wee improvement. If you want hop up,the Tanaka barrel and assorted bits fit. I've swapping around slide's mags,trigger groups.Seems sofar that nearly all bits are swapable. The grips are different from the Tanaka,the lower has extra metal in the grip preventing easy use of real Hi-Power grips. Tanaka mags work but run out of gas sooner,12-15 instead of 20 BB's per mag. We will run on HFC134A,less grunt of course. Anyhow,I'm back off to the GGe for another dozen mags,just giving my arms a rest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blablabla Posted January 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 nice review, could you please update us after your skirmish about its cold weather performance, thanks. -brendan Well took it to game yesterday,it was cold, around 5C, in the afternoon it started warming up, but hey it's still winter over here Anyways, we plinked at same targets all day, gone through several mags of my bottle of green gas, and it cycled like I was trying it indoors the days before, I didn't notice any significant drop in performance. A buddy of mine took along a bottle of Coleman propane, and it worked like a charm to. But it still lacked the range of course without the hop, but overall performance was good, but it still isn't a WA or TM But for that price and pistol techs among us a good addition to the armory, which doesn't cost you an arm or leg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blablabla Posted January 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Mine turned up in the post this morning. Been blasting since. Briefly its an improved Tanaka,made of metal,with the same 'orrible trigger. I used my heat shrink tube fix to gain a wee improvement. If you want hop up,the Tanaka barrel and assorted bits fit. I've swapping around slide's mags,trigger groups.Seems sofar that nearly all bits are swapable. The grips are different from the Tanaka,the lower has extra metal in the grip preventing easy use of real Hi-Power grips. Tanaka mags work but run out of gas sooner,12-15 instead of 20 BB's per mag. We will run on HFC134A,less grunt of course. Anyhow,I'm back off to the GGe for another dozen mags,just giving my arms a rest. hey thanks, was waiting for a Tanaka owner to chip in here a few questions though, What is the heat shrink solution you talk about? Is that for improving reliability ? Is the Tanaka hop a good hop ? good range ? Would love to get my hands on a tanaka barrel and included chamber with hop to test it out, But I don't plan on spending money on a whole Browning from them If anyone knows where to get the barrel,and all it's bits,drop me a line Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L85FREAK Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 What is the effective range? A little disappointed about the lack of hop , guess I will have to go with the KWA CZ75. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snowman Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 And, oh Tanaka HP owner, do the WE mags fit the Tanakas? I've been after a second mag for my Tanaka for years! Cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hhsohn Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 I had two Tanaka Browning HP a while back. Is the trigger connected to the hammer sear by a rocker lever in the slide? If so, that's a weak point to be watched. You break that, you have a dead pistol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cptdarling506 Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Heat shrink goes on the end of the upward moving lever which pushes the lever in the slide to trip the sear. By making it at least 1 mm longer I gained a slightly better let off, but still no where like the let off in a real one. Mind you the real one has the mag safety plunger removed.Pity the plunger in the Tanaka and WE is required to hold mag back to work. With the Tanaka barrel and chamber and a slight 'Hop'(grub screw compressess rubber seal) you see a big difference in BB flight. BB's(.20) curve upward at approx 8-10Mtrs.Stock WE barrel the BB's are starting to drop. The WE mags do not work in the Tanaka.WE mags are a better version but lack the finer details to work in Tanaka. A mild combo of Tanaka slide and bits with HFC134a gas in mag provides easy fun . Green gas in the stock WE is rather good.Mags run out of grunt at 15+-2 BB's. Super Green Gas is very impressive,great kick,best range and at least 34+ BB's per mag. Acccuracy is shocking,some big 'slices' to the right mainly,more'hop' the worse it gets. We barrel not much better.If you take your time to aim,you can hit 'man' sized targets at 15mtrs easily. I have an indoor 4-5mtr range with resettting targets.Targets are approx 3 inches shaped. Aiming center mass with good trigger finger control,its a hit everytime. For NZ$200, I got 2 extra mags,5 day delivery.I ve put at least 400 BB's thru it,no problems,unlike the Tanaka which had metal bits unglueing from the plastic bits at 300 BB's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Does a Tanaka Mk3 slide fit the WE? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 I've got to say that this is all a bit disappointing. No hop-up and a straight up clone of the Tanaka without any improvements? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Panoptes Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 I've got to say that this is all a bit disappointing. No hop-up and a straight up clone of the Tanaka without any improvements? Bit of a cop-out, isn't it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cptdarling506 Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Does a Tanaka Mk3 slide fit the WE? No idea, but dont see any reason why not. I've got to say that this is all a bit disappointing. No hop-up and a straight up clone of the Tanaka without any improvements Its made of metal,one major improvement.Mags are better,another improvement.It has sofar outlasted the WE Luger. Its a hell of alot cheaper than a US$200+ Tanaka. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
perr_mike Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Without hop the metal body just makes it a slightly cheaper but heavier paperweight then the Tanaka. Very disappointing, wont be bothering with one of these unless a sensible hop solution is found. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L85FREAK Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) No idea, but dont see any reason why not. Its made of metal,one major improvement.Mags are better,another improvement.It has sofar outlasted the WE Luger. Its a hell of alot cheaper than a US$200+ Tanaka. Metal is only an improvement if you care about having a metal gun. Personally, I will take a polymer/plastic/non-metal gun that shoots really well than a metal one that does not. Again, without hop, the quality of the magazine is virtually moot. Price may be the only thing this gun has going for it, but again without hop it is still not worth it. Definitely one of the most disappointing guns to be released in a while. Maybe KWA will release one in the future. Edited January 12, 2011 by L85FREAK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Danke Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Did the Tanaka's have a hop? It's hard to believe they'd skip over something like this particular part. Or is there any chance that yours is missing parts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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