Imperator Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Yup. Motor and recoil engine has gotten a solid upgrade, external finish is great. It really does look good! Is the grip angle correct? It seems like it from your picture, but I remember the prototype having a weird angle... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DeltaZero Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 All the Tokyo Marui HK rifles have the wrong grip angle unfortunately.. the grip is a HK grip but at the standard angle hence why it looks distorted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pkekyo-Nor Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 It's the same angle as on the HK416. Most of the real 417s I've seen have a more vertical pistol grip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DeltaZero Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 It's cause they couldn't get the correct angle for the motor to engage the gears properly.. VFC did it but it meant redesigning the gearbox which TM wont do for compatibility or other reasons. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Imperator Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Yeah, that's what I thought...I understand that they would have to redesign the gearbox/motor interface to correct the angle, and make it more authentic. But I guess they didn't want to bother, unlike VFC.Speeking of which, have you had a chance to compare it to a VFC HK417 aeg, Pkekyo? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Agent Hunk Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 VFC redesigned the gearbox to work with the grip? Seems weird because I have three of their grips and none of them are on VFC guns and they work fine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Yeah, they didn't redesign the gearbox. What they did was have the back of the grip follow the old angel(the motor follows closely to the rear wall of the grip) and the front of the grip is at a more vertical angle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DeltaZero Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) Yes the gearbox was redesigned for the VFC V2 HK416 (i think) and the HK417. It is a 3 piece gearbox technically which has a different slanting bottom of the gearbox shell to allow for the more vertical grip. As far as I'm aware you can't put a HK417/HK416 grip onto a regular AEG gearbox. I tried putting the grip from my HK417 onto my fusion engine, wouldnt work. The VFC gearbox in the HK417 is called a Version 2.2 gearbox. See picture below I've taken from Bingo airsoft works. Fusion Engine on the right is standard V2 spec and the VFC 2.2 on the left has a shallower angle and is completely different to allow it to split into parts. Watch Video for disassembly Edited January 9, 2015 by DeltaZero 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Imperator Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 That's what I meant. ^^ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DeltaZero Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Yeah I know.. sorry that post wasnt aimed at you, you were correct. Was more for Agent Hunk and Horsem4n. I think the reason TM didn't redesign their gearbox was to keep the actual EBB gearbox the same for compatibility with the current EBB gearbox. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Imperator Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Yeah I know.. sorry that post wasnt aimed at you, you were correct. Was more for Agent Hunk and Horsem4n. I think the reason TM didn't redesign their gearbox was to keep the actual EBB gearbox the same for compatibility with the current EBB gearbox. I got that DeltaZero. No worries! I believe you are right about the EBB compatibility. But I guess it's not that big of a change either. It would just need to be the angle of the bottom. The rest needn't change, I think. Maybe they thought no one would notice, I don't know. Either way, it's not that big of a problem (it doesn't even qualify as a problem). But some people are nick-picking As long as it performs good! Which I'm sure it does, since it's TM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Agent Hunk Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 That's odd because I have them on two Classic Army AEGs and an A&K. I guess I just got lucky. I sought them out from people who'd replaced theirs for the straighter grip angle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DeltaZero Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Strange.. you're talking about the newer pistol grip? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Agent Hunk Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 The HK Gunfighter grip or whatever they call it. That's what I'm talking about unless VFC has two models of that particular grip and I just didn't know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pkekyo-Nor Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Speeking of which, have you had a chance to compare it to a VFC HK417 aeg, Pkekyo? Friend of mine says the TM is well above and beyond the VFC in terms of externals. And internals are obviously far superior, having had magical TM fairy dust sprinkled in the gearbox before closing it up. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) The 416 gearbox is a standard v2 and the grip from it is compatible with other airsoft ARs. The 417 is different as you've shown. Its like a longer version of the XCR gearbox. If you guys want, ill take pics the next time I take one apart. I have a local guy that wants to P* his 416c soon. Edited January 10, 2015 by Horsem4n Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DeltaZero Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 I must have my wires crossed then. But I'm pretty sure I've read in multipul places that the 416 has two versions, one with a regular V2 which came originally and then an updated version with V2.2 gearbox and the battlegrip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Imperator Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Friend of mine says the TM is well above and beyond the VFC in terms of externals. And internals are obviously far superior, having had magical TM fairy dust sprinkled in the gearbox before closing it up. Internally there's no question about it! But if that is so on the outside, that is something, as the VFC was praised for it's looks and build quality. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 I must have my wires crossed then. But I'm pretty sure I've read in multipul places that the 416 has two versions, one with a regular V2 which came originally and then an updated version with V2.2 gearbox and the battlegrip. nah. i have fixed and modified dozens and they are still popular. a local competitor sells them quite often and i know that the newest models haven't changed at all from the oldest. now, its not a model that im personally interested in and i do not look up news about it. 100% of my knowledge with VFC and Umarex HK416s is first hand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Damn you Marui, stop making great replicas of pistol that fit my hands well. Got it last week, been too busy thinking of buying a grey suit and white shirt (I know that was for a USP.45 but this thing is not a 'box in your hand' as a USP.45). 'FireKnife' 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CameronZombie Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) You also require some thugs and a briefcase. Edited January 13, 2015 by CameronZombie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 You also require some thugs and a briefcase. And about three months of training with an ex-UK Special Forces bloke with a typical lower-middle class British accent (seriously check out the DVD extras). 'FireKnife' Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CameronZombie Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Also, training as a UPS deliveryman to render yourself invisible. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bladerunner Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 And about three months of training with an ex-UK Special Forces bloke with a typical lower-middle class British accent (seriously check out the DVD extras). 'FireKnife' 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) As per the above; Here's the first pic of my WE Apache MP5A3 Edited January 20, 2015 by NonEx 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.