intinerious Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Also what mount and flashlight is that ? or the one that is pictured with travis haley's gun. I want to replicate it har har The mount is a Gear Sector mount for the Scoutlight. TSC makes them but I dunno if they fit the Element Scoutlight clones or not. Review please Link to post Share on other sites
REVOA4 Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Wants to see inside the gearbox =) Link to post Share on other sites
Genome Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 receiver looks like a cyma, as i posted before in this thread, from the lack of arsenal marks/serial number (peculiar to cyma, among all the cloner manufacturers). if it is a cyma receiver, and it should be, then the dg system will fit in just fine. Are you sure this will fit a DG system? My dealer says it is impossible and to fit one it needs to be a LCT receiver much like how a RS AK receiver would be Ditto on review perhaps you can spot if it is LCT haha...I can dream. Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 there are 2 main and copied types of AK receivers on the airsoft market: Tokyo Marui and VFC. the Daytonagun kits are made for the LTC receiver, which is just what DG had on hand to build from during R&D, and the LCT receiver is based on VFC albeit, slightly different tolerance wise, but that can be said for anything else. other guns that are VFC based includes DBoys and newer CYMAs. other manufacturers like RS, Classic Atmy and ICS have their own designs, CA and ICS mostly being based on marui style i believe. Link to post Share on other sites
adadqgg Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Are you sure this will fit a DG system? My dealer says it is impossible and to fit one it needs to be a LCT receiver much like how a RS AK receiver would be Ditto on review perhaps you can spot if it is LCT haha...I can dream. I just found out that this is made by CYMA's factory. It is made to CYMA's specs. Not sure about the material of the front/rear trunnion or the other metal parts; but they are most likely potmetal and will be EPIC fail if you install DG system. there are 2 main and copied types of AK receivers on the airsoft market: Tokyo Marui and VFC. the Daytonagun kits are made for the LTC receiver, which is just what DG had on hand to build from during R&D, and the LCT receiver is based on VFC albeit, slightly different tolerance wise, but that can be said for anything else. other guns that are VFC based includes DBoys and newer CYMAs. other manufacturers like RS, Classic Atmy and ICS have their own designs, CA and ICS mostly being based on marui style i believe. If I remember correctly, VFC receiver was based on the LCT(well, back then it was Ino/Guarder). VFC just has a lot more pins(including barrel pin) and more correct external features(such as selector switch positions). G&G and ICS has their own design(CA is TM clone but 74ed-up); and ICS had two versions(old and new;old one was not compatible with anything and was s***, newer one I believe is closer to VFC). Link to post Share on other sites
Genome Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 there are 2 main and copied types of AK receivers on the airsoft market: Tokyo Marui and VFC. the Daytonagun kits are made for the LTC receiver, which is just what DG had on hand to build from during R&D, and the LCT receiver is based on VFC albeit, slightly different tolerance wise, but that can be said for anything else. other guns that are VFC based includes DBoys and newer CYMAs. other manufacturers like RS, Classic Atmy and ICS have their own designs, CA and ICS mostly being based on marui style i believe. So you are telling me that in fact this can be converted to a daytona gun without any issues? I am going to have to convince my dealer that this can work if this is correct. Link to post Share on other sites
aznriptide859 Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Basically he's saying: LCT, VFC, and later versions of CYMA and DBOYS will work, as they're all based off the VFC-design. All others will not - RS, TM, ICS, and CA all have their own unique systems (ICS is similar and pretty different to TM all in one ball though). Which is another reason why VFC/LCT is getting more popular, since their designs are pretty similar/easier to find replacement parts. Link to post Share on other sites
pkm200901 Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 sounds to me like your dealer doesn't know enough to do the installation and you should find someone else. here's the no-*suitcase* breakdown of compatibility: -real style construction, accurate dimensions: real sword -real style construction, receiver is ~3mm too long: lct/rmw/guarder/inokatsu vfc dboys cyma series (not cm028/031) ca steel series unicorn -marui-style construction marui ca slr105 polymer cyma cm028/cm031 utg de action king arms additionally, ics and g&g have their own style of construction as does 'dm.' that should be the major manufacturers, did i leave anyone out? Link to post Share on other sites
adadqgg Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 sounds to me like your dealer doesn't know enough to do the installation and you should find someone else. here's the no-*suitcase* breakdown of compatibility: -real style construction, accurate dimensions: real sword Except that RealSword has screws to hold the barrel on. CM035/36(basically anything not 040, 045, 048, 050, or above) are still of vastly inferior capitalist TM design. Link to post Share on other sites
aznriptide859 Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Both have their pros and cons, but in the course of messing with Dboys and LCT AK's I have to say I'm much more a proponent of the VFC-styled AK's now. Link to post Share on other sites
Big_Will Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Has anyone had the chance to review / fire etc this yet. Thinking of ordering one, but obviously it would be good to get peoples hands on experience first. Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 CM035/36(basically anything not 040, 045, 048, 050, or above) are still of vastly inferior capitalist TM design. I would suggest you get off your high horse and stop linking 'inferior' and 'capitalist' together on such a regular basis when you post. Saying something is an inferior design is fine but being from a capitalist country doesn't make it inferior or mean it's the cause of it being so, and it was capitalism that is responsible for the original Tokyo Marui AK AEG and all the following AK based AEGs that have followed at the end of the day. Capitalist countries have a lot of problems, but so do communist countries like China, I don't see people going around forums bashing 'inferior communist ACM products' like you do with anything not made in China so stop it, now. Next time I see you do it you WILL be warned. Now back to shiny AKness Link to post Share on other sites
adadqgg Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 I would suggest you get off your high horse and stop linking 'inferior' and 'capitalist' together on such a regular basis when you post. Saying something is an inferior design is fine but being from a capitalist country doesn't make it inferior or mean it's the cause of it being so, and it was capitalism that is responsible for the original Tokyo Marui AK AEG and all the following AK based AEGs that have followed at the end of the day. Capitalist countries have a lot of problems, but so do communist countries like China, I don't see people going around forums bashing 'inferior communist ACM products' like you do with anything not made in China so stop it, now. Next time I see you do it you WILL be warned. Now back to shiny AKness It's kind of a joke-speech from Red-Alliance. http://www.red-alliance.net/forum/index.php?topic=4730.0 No insult intended. Link to post Share on other sites
SteevoLS Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Most glorious Ivanese for make benefit of most glorious rifle of battle usage by Mikhael Kalashnikov. Is good language. In all seriousness, I spent quite some time on TM-style AKs before I even knew VFCs existed. The first time I tore down a VFC AK I nearly died from happiness. Being able to disassemble the entire gun in about a minute with nothing but a pair of pliers and a pin punch is pure bliss. Link to post Share on other sites
Yoggi Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 It is LCT style selector. Not TM style as the manual shows. That resulted in a broken selector for me. But i have complained to WGC, who has forwarded it to Beta-project. The Gearbox is Cyma. Is says CM 2B on the shell. I will replace the entire gearbox, so doesn't matter for me. The stocktube is GBB style. So to get LIPO in it is very easy. Link to post Share on other sites
adadqgg Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Personally I think everyone is making too big of a deal out of this... It still has magwell dimples and the pistol grip is still wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
pkm200901 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 so? the only reason the original didn't have magwell dimples is because saiga hadn't imported many with dimples and 'y' stamps. if it was built on another random receiver it may have had the dimples. the dimples don't make/break the 'mag-k' concept. Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 also, the grip is actually what Haley had on his before he found the AR15 grip adapters and decided to stick a MIAD on there. that M249 grip is what we have on all our custom built MAG-Ks pretty much. i looked into getting an MOE grip on there, but the top of the grip tapers in TOO much, actually being thinner than the motor, so it would never work on an AEG AK with the original intended look. what this does is give the guys who want to build a MAG-K a GREAT start. the hardest part about building one of these is finding the full Ultimak rail system, attaching the M4 buffer tube at the correct angle and getting that unique bolt fabricated (something most of us skip). this one has that hard stuff covered, plus its already tan, has the correct stock and has the correct mag. the only things left to do is get the right flash hider and selector switch and you have something that's VERY accurate. Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 so is it cheeper to build one or buy this one ? Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I'd say go with this. Heck just the PTS CTR alone will basically cost you 1/3 of the entire price of the gun. Link to post Share on other sites
rogi2k Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 so is it cheeper to build one or buy this one ? telling from the post above, i think it will be better to buy the beta project as a starter like Horsem4n stated. It's a great start, and if you are gonna upgrade the internals etc anyway, just go for beta. You probably could land in about the same pricerange building this from scratch on a cyma ak. Though that ultimak rail is like a 100bucks + magpul parts and fabrication(time etc) you can do the math Link to post Share on other sites
Big_Will Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 So, accepting the fact its a start towards a MAG-K. how is it actually performing out of the box? Or are we at the consensus that the internals / gearbox need an overhaul? Link to post Share on other sites
rogi2k Posted November 19, 2011 Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 I think someone said earlier that its a CM2B gearbox so i guess same internals as the CM40x series from cyma? Link to post Share on other sites
Big_Will Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 having not had much experience with Cyma ak's, Is the common consensus this is a good bit of kit, or are we talking upgrades off the bat? Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Usual caveat that it is Chinese and you could get a lemon, but CYMA's actual AK line is very popular for a reason. Provided you don't get unlucky and pull a complete dog out the box, it should be pretty decent. Link to post Share on other sites
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