fluxocity Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 So Well is clone (rip off/copy/whatever you want to call it) of the Maruzen, and costs less than half what the Maruzen does. If I am to upgrade the internals of the Well will PDI lvl 3 HD kit, adjustable hop up and tight bore; as well as giving it a lovely camo paint job (thus hiding any rough finishing), is their really any advantage to buying the Maruzen? As far as I can figure out, all I'm going to be left with which is Well is the outer barrel and stock which seem hardly likely to break. Yours thoughts are welcomed! Link to post Share on other sites
The Bushman Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 I would get the clone, instead of the Maruzen. Burt then again, I would never buy either of those rifles ..... VSR10 for the win. Accuracy being the reason. Good Hunting Link to post Share on other sites
fluxocity Posted November 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 I'm a bit of a noob when i comes to sniping, and whilst I've heard a lot about the VSR10, I dont see how it can be that much better than either one of these. What makes it so good? Link to post Share on other sites
Mike_West Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Upgrade parts are cheaper and more common. That's all. Plus, the VSR is a good deal lighter than the MB08 (I had a MB01, and it was six kilos or so!). Link to post Share on other sites
The Bushman Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 The VSR10 has a far better HOP system. It is super accurate and stays set. It is easy to setup. In my opinion it is therefore better. The VSR10 is nice and light; which lots of newer players do not like. However, I really appreciate it being light, as mobility is one of the key factors in being a single shot player. I have owned maruzen and marui, spring bolties. Despite the build quality of maruzen rifles being great; they are bottomless pits of money that many people see no bottom too and yet still never end up with a stable platform. VSR10 or BAR10 are easy to obtain, upgrade and get the results at the end. My 483fps VSR10 can hit, stationary 100 yard, man sized targets, (laser ranged) between 33% and 50% of the time. This is using blaster devil 0.40g in light winds. I have lower powered VSR and BAR that are still able to hit 80 yard targets 50% of the time, with 0.30g I cannot recommend VSR10/BAR10 enough. I would not by a maruzen or well clone. Good Hunting Link to post Share on other sites
Hatchet Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 The VSR (gspec in my case) soon gets heavy enough once you put scope, bipod, ghillie on it. If being light is such a problem there's room enough in it to add some more weight. The main reason I'd go for the TM is, as ever, the quality and higher tolerances. What's the point in getting a clone and then sticking a load of precision parts in it if your base gun has gaps where the sunlight gets through? Okay, an exaggeration, but people are far more demanding over 0.7mm in a barrel tolerance, but happy for the rest of the thing to be "close enough". I own the Maruzen Type 96 as well. I much prefer the fit of it, adjustable comb height, etc, but the VSR is so much simpler to adjust. I haven't owned the clone version, but a brief glance at one of them showed differences straight away of non-retained body bolts as opposed to the original. I couldn't comment on what else might be different, or indeed differences between clones of clones... As ever a genuine 2nd hand is worth considering. Link to post Share on other sites
kojak Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 I'll agree with The Bushman on the VSR's far superior hop design, but it's a moot point once you convert it to AEG spec with a PDI or HP chamber. Link to post Share on other sites
fluxocity Posted November 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 You guys almost sold me on the VSR but I have a real hard on for the AI AW shape. Maybe once I've got sick of trying to upgrade the MB08 I'll take your advice and buy a VSR I don't buy second hand any more because trying to figure out what is wrong with a gun which was described as perfect working order is a real pain in the *albatross* and, frankly, I'm sick of it. Kojak, awesome name, and you've confirmed what I was thinking about the Well, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
Dagonet Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 A small nugget of information from me:) Doing the pre-buydontmakeanexpensivemistakeregretbuyingthedamnthing myself. I have looked into Wells/warriors, fairly cheap and easy to find in the UK, upgrades are out there, i am having trouble finding hop rubbers (buckings/nubs yes) but if you are changing the hop unit anyway i wouldn't worry. Things i have learnt. Well/warrior have weights in the stock, these can be removed, some say the rifle feels unbalanced if you do, but "feel" is down to the user and what extras you bolt on will affect balance anyway. In short you may well find you can lighten the stock rifle. From stock it will benefit greatly from a complete strip down, degrease, barrel clean, check hop alignment etc etc, that alone should see an improvement over just shooting it straight out of the box. Again chatter would suggest doing this then shooting until something breaks then start replacing bits. Other chatter would suggest they dont hop well with over .30 BBs, hops not strong enough, this can be modded. Trigger units on Well/warrior, now i may be wrong on this as i am reading through chatter from 2005-07+ The trigger unit is the weak spot on older Wells (can't speak for current ones) The trigger box is plastic and in time can crack/split, aftermarket ones are metal. You can try to reinforce it a bit. If they are still plastic then that would be the killer for me (still looking into it) A cheap way into sniping and learn how to do it, and work on rifles. If you decide you don't like it you can sell it on to the next person who wants to try the role for size. TM VSR-10 then. This is most likely the route i will be taking (if i take the plunge) Again from stock it will benefit from a strip down and good clean and make sure everythings tight and aligned. TM hop unit is reguarded as good as it will get, hop rubbers are easy to get and cross over with several of TM pistols so really easy to find. Overall stock and build quality are better. Due to Japans laws TM don't do high power, and some of there range are awkward to upgrade and not cheap. The TM vsr bolt is sealed, so maybe wait until the warranty runs out before drilling out the cylinder head pin. Out of the box expect 280-300fps for TM and the Wells have a reduction nozzle that allows a low FPS or 400+ on the same spring. TM trigger block is metal. Chatter suggests that to up the power you only really need new sears, spring guide (stock is plastic) and spring. The stock trigger box is strong enough, just the sears inside are not. Or drop a huge amount of money on a new aftermarket trigger block anyway. I am at the moment still doing my research. If a second hand Well/warrior L96 cropped up and was in good order then i would get that to play with, can always sell it on. If i am going to buy new then i am leaning more to a VSR. Lower power, quailty build, easy spares and lots of guides and information on how to work on them. I was going to start under 350fps, where i play i won't have an MED, i won't have the advantage of extra range, but thats my chosen learning curve, i can play with pistols only, so a single shot slient rifle is not so much of a disadvantage if you are confident in how you play. If i go over 350fps then i have a 35m MED. Better to learn how the rifle shoots at lower power and lots of targets to pick from, there fore more fun, against having to find targets at 35m + then taking longshots and watching the BB curl off and miss and get nailed by an AEG inside your 35m MED, oh yes and under 350fps i won't need a back up. Over 350fps (up to 500 for a bolt action) i will have to carry a back up weapon, there is that to consider to if you don't already own a pistol, most sites won't allow you out with a high power rifle with no close range back up. The biggest thing is not the highest power you can have, but learning what you can do with what you get, and building from there. I am now reading through the whole vsr thread, done snipers perch, done the other pinned threads here, loads of links and technical chatter, from playing to set up. Its an awkward role to play in airsoft, i am making sure before i drop the cash on a very specialist bit of kit. Link to post Share on other sites
fluxocity Posted November 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Cheers Dagonet, some food for thought. I'm not too concerned about the weight issue, the Well is only 700g heavier than my CA M41 and I have all sorts of bits bolted onto that and as you said the hop up isn't a concern at all. I think I'm going to have to have a look at the VSR, I've made the mistake of not listening to people before and maybe this is the time to heed the voice of the masses. Link to post Share on other sites
Dagonet Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 having a break from page 140 of the vsr thread This whole sniper lark is a minefield of expense (if you want to spend) some parts from different brands don't play well together, so really reading up on the subject and hopefully try some bolties first before i splash any cash about. I think i will take to it, so leaning to a Mauri for the better build quality but lower power. The other thing that really stands out is the end user. If you expect to play as a more dedicated Sniper role, then you won't (in theory) be banging out 100's of rounds a day so the rifle wont see as much stress, and last longer on stock sears/piston. I like to wade in and go hunting so expect to be banging out lot's of rounds again in theory, a barrel upgrade and 100%/MS spring should last a while in a stock TM VSR i would loose the extreme long range ability of 60-80m shots, but by then i may not be interested in going to high FPS and the rebuild when the stock sears let go should see the rifle through a lot of action ( i am hoping for 50-60m range) fieldcraft and a silent shooter should make up for a lack of extreme range.......i hope. The clones of the TM vsr are a mixed bag, some are very very good, some are lemons, but they take all the upgrades TM do, so even then a cheaper clone can be built up over time to a very high perfomance standard. VSRs a bit bland, common etc etc, but easy to work on and rebuild. I think some of the clones (and Wells) come with a 6.04 barrel as stock anyway. The TMs are 6.08 but good quality. Whichever way you go with some work they can all put in some good shots. For the more extreme ranges i would take a hard look at the TMs the base model is just that bit better in Q/C and grade of materials used. I will shut up now as i don't own one so can't really say which is best, i would break it down like this, sniper curious, a boltie for plinking or game day back up then anything. If you think you may be serious about a more dedicated sniping role then look for quality from the start. happy hunting your new toy. Link to post Share on other sites
thre3aces Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 Why not consider the mb 06? Apparently you don't have to upgrade the sears or trigger box to get 500 fps since it can pretty much do that stock. As for weight... I just don't get it. People say sprinters get hard to pull back... They're just not for me. And carrying a 6kg gun around is hardly anything... Maybe it's just me Sent from my mythical enchanted asynchronous 3VO Link to post Share on other sites
kojak Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 Any spring rifle is "capable" of high power, it's just a question of how long the parts will last at that power level. The MB-06 isn't a full Type 96 clone, so when the sear fails you will have less options for a repair/upgrade. Link to post Share on other sites
thre3aces Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 Any spring rifle is "capable" of high power, it's just a question of how long the parts will last at that power level. The MB-06 isn't a full Type 96 clone, so when the sear fails you will have less options for a repair/upgrade. You can just buy standard aps2 sears which fit Sent from my mythical enchanted asynchronous 3VO Link to post Share on other sites
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