Habakure Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Why do we even bother with a device to propel the bb? At those ranges we'd be better off lobbing the bob at the enemy. 'Ggrrrrr, ave it ya slags'. That would help with the desperation of it all. Link to post Share on other sites
amateurstuntman Posted July 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 I almost never use the sights, if the weather is bright I point-shoot the weapon, even AEGs. I then use fall of shot to correct. When it is dark I do the same thing with tracer. Even more effective. Thanks FK and Alex. I feel a lot better, that game in the video you can see how fatigued I was, just moving around. Now I feel like I can just keep on trucking all day. Link to post Share on other sites
Gunmane Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 FK, good on you for learning about particular weapons. Now if only I could convince half the world to such a simple task. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 I always make sure I've zero'd my sights, even though I often point-shoot. I take an even split between running and gunning where I'm pointshooting a lot, and more measured assault where I use my sights for accurate aimed shots. Having a zero'd sight doesn't stop you from being able to point shoot though, but without one, good luck trying to hit that one elbow that's sticking out of cover at 20m. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 Do I buy an airborne/para denison smock from WWII (think operation market garden) or just a modern soft shell jacket? First world problem right here and now. Denison smock like this:- http://www.sofmilitary.co.uk/2nd-model-denison-smock-product,12028 Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 I always make sure I've zero'd my sights, even though I often point-shoot. I take an even split between running and gunning where I'm pointshooting a lot, and more measured assault where I use my sights for accurate aimed shots. Having a zero'd sight doesn't stop you from being able to point shoot though, but without one, good luck trying to hit that one elbow that's sticking out of cover at 20m. True it does help but even with a zeroed sight on some guns hitting that elbow at 20m is still going to take either a lucky shot or about 5-7 'aimed' ones by which time the elbow has moved. Saying that many people seem to trust way to much to their sights (often red-dots I find) and assume that they will always hit. It does make me laugh especially when people forget that sights, due to height over bore, are fixed to a set distance. When they start firing at what the sights are aiming at yet the shots are going about two inches too low or too high always makes me chuckle. And that for today is what makes me laugh, people putting a bit too much faith (not meaning you Darklite, just quoted your post for reference) in a low powered gun propelling something that weighs next to nothing at a spot that is all of 1x1cm in their eyes at range. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
amateurstuntman Posted July 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 Yeah that's why high ROF bursts are the way forward. You shoot those 5-7 "aimed" shots in a 10th of a second and you are orders of magnitude more likely to score a hit. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 Went old school. Now the waiting begins till it's delivered. Going to use it at the next skirmish if it rains. If it's sunny like today, am rocking the t-shirt (way too hot for anything else). Link to post Share on other sites
Stuey Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 Yeah that's why high ROF bursts are the way forward. You shoot those 5-7 "aimed" shots in a 10th of a second and you are orders of magnitude more likely to score a hit. Call me old fashioned, but that just sounds like a variation on spamming until you hit something. Link to post Share on other sites
Baddbaz Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 I use a 3/ 5 round burst on all my guns . Burst firing is not spamming , prolonged full auto fire is spamming .. Link to post Share on other sites
shmook Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 Went old school. Now the waiting begins till it's delivered. Going to use it at the next skirmish if it rains. If it's sunny like today, am rocking the t-shirt (way too hot for anything else). Nice! Was going to suggest a dennison, they are cool Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 3rd burst is the way forward. It's like single shot, but with a bit of spread. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 Three round burst is very handy, I've got to agree there. When using the 3rd burst on an MP5K, it did but a smile on my face (not good in a 30rd mag but easy to keep track of 10 trigger pulls at 3 rounds per pull). Trying to watch a film called 'Texas Killing Fields'. It's a veery serious subject but it's as though the direct said to the actors 'try your best to be extreme examples of clichés within a detective story'. It just plods along. For some odd reason, I don't care who lives or dies. Why does it make me smile though? Because I didn't go the cinema to watch it or buy it on blu-ray/DVD. Just taped it off the tele. Can't take it anymore, it's getting turned off. Oh wait hang on. Nope, still ramming it down your neck way too hard. You don have to show everything (then it becomes voyeuristic). Definitly glad I didn't buy it. Link to post Share on other sites
amateurstuntman Posted July 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 Call me old fashioned, but that just sounds like a variation on spamming until you hit something. With any of the "force multiplier" techniques it depends on whether the person employing the technique is an oxygen thief. I would argue that in my case it is actually more "milsim" than using single shot. If I aim at a target 20m away using a real weapon system I will hit the thing every time. With airsoft I might hit it, probably. If I fire a 5 round burst I will be much more likely to hit it which is more realistic. A 5 round burst from my Galil mags will give me 26 shots, a 4 round burst will give 32 and a 3 round burst is 42. More realistic mag capacity. I'm not a scumbag, I kill responsibly. Link to post Share on other sites
Stuey Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Maybe, but is it milsim to fight battles where the two sides are never more than about 50 m apart? You absolutely cannot try to compare airsoft and real ballistics, it just falls apart on so many levels. If you want realistic mag capacity, only put 35 BBs in them. Link to post Share on other sites
amateurstuntman Posted July 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 I was just talking about he hit probability. In all seriousness a rifle of any kind has enough accuracy so that at reasonable ranges if you missed it was your fault, not the rifle. Airsoft stuff is the other way, I know guys who wash their bbs and spend hours setting up airsoft sniper rifles so that they can reliably hit a guy's torso at 60 meters. It's a push but a person with a similar level of commitment could probably get to that level of accuracy with a 9mm pistol. I want to see a guy, bring up the rifle, aim fire and hit. Burst gives me that, the higher the ROF of the burst the better because you want all the bbs travelling down a cone centred on the target. If your burst take too long the point of aim will probably shift especially firing from an unsupported position. With single shot what I usually get is, see guy, bring up rifle, aim, fire, miss, guy turns round and fires 200 shots, utterly riddling me, my oppos and anyone standing near me regardless of team or marshal status. On top of that a burst is much kinder to the workings of an AEG; minimises the chances of a bb deflecting off a twig, blade of grass or passing insect; reduces the chances that the target won't feel it because it hits a pouch or loose piece of clothing; whitens teeth; increases sperm motility; reduces the deficit; brings about peace in the middle east and finds Jimmy Hoffa's body. Link to post Share on other sites
Baddbaz Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Ha ha ha Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Eh, I mostly run pistols, meaning I have to get close enough to near guarentee a hit as after 2-3 shots the rest are just wasted. However it does mean that indoors I double tap everything. Turn a corner and find someone standing about 4-5m away then double tap. If somehow I miss then yeah I will duck back and engage them as quick as I can to remove them from the game, just without trying to waste ammo. When I have an AEG (usually something small, light and stockless) I employ a simple 'stroke of the trigger', that usually means 3-4 shots and is enough if I am close enough. Again beyond that it is just wasting shots (if I need to pin someone and have the ammo then fair enough but beyond that no). 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
Baddbaz Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 That's one reAson I love my Kwa m93 r , 3 round burst . It may be bulky , awkward to carry and heavy . But when its drawn it never fails to put a smile on my face !! Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Ah, race day. House to my self and it's time to relax. Just wish it was 87 again, as that was a great race to watch. Link to post Share on other sites
Tw1tch Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 So got a week off at the end of the month (need to find out what actual week it is, 28th onwards would be amazing as could still do the anniversary game at my local) where I can go "home" see where my mum's moved to, move some (and probably the bulk of my airsoft gear) and speak to the pub/hotel manager in person at the place I'm intending on transferring to. Also thinking up odds and sods airsoft projects, plus shopping lists for tools I can then justify to myself. Thinking a nice bit of RIS on the underside of my 203 for a vert grip for one. Questionable viability though. xD Link to post Share on other sites
amateurstuntman Posted July 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 You can get vertical grips that fit directly onto an M203. Link to post Share on other sites
Tw1tch Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 You can get vertical grips that fit directly onto an M203. Interesting. Was inspired by the 203 in Lone Survivor but to me that looked like a armourer's custom job. Will take a look and see if I find one I like/can fit it to a Dboys. Also, bacon and cheese potato skins alongside jalepeno mozeralla bites (just a shame there's not much indication of jalepeno). Link to post Share on other sites
Gunmane Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Got to play a ton of Monster Hunter 3U with a good live streamer I know of, was up till 2am but it was a blast. One of the few times these days I enjoy playing video games. Also, just found someone selling what could be the key to me returning to glorious NVA kit, I miss wearing it out to the field and muttering in my horrible German at other players. Link to post Share on other sites
shmook Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 I need one of these. Need. Mainly for dealing with the general public. Link to post Share on other sites
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