cazboab Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 So uh...In short, stick to KJW if you want a cheap metal sig... Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Jesus Christ. Was that a WE? [EDIT]Sorry, just saw your post on the previous page. Holy mother of f***, that has not gone well at all.[/EDIT] Link to post Share on other sites
LordElpus Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Guess i'm going to have to wait longer for a non railed sig then. UNless i try and replace the slide Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 By the way. And people keep telling me not to bash WE That is a good reason not too, though having also seen a KSC HK45 plstic slide do this i am not holding out hope for modern designs 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Nothing wrong with modern designs, it's cheap materials and manufacturing in general that are the issue. That's the first time I've ever seen a metal slide that has failed like that! Hope the BBU and back of the slide didn't fly off and hit you? I've known that to happen to someone before on a plastic slided gun.... Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Nothing wrong with modern designs, it's cheap materials and manufacturing in general that are the issue. That's what i mean, some of the designs out there while cheap and good to see more of them, just can't handle Green on the standard slides. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 P226s can handle green happily with a plastic slide, if someone made your beloved 1911 with a poorly cast low-quality metal slide then I'm sure it'd have just as much chance of snapping like that one. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 P226s can handle green happily with a plastic slide, if someone made your beloved 1911 with a poorly cast low-quality metal slide then I'm sure it'd have just as much chance of snapping like that one. Not modern designs as in the real model, modern designs as i what manufacturers have put out in the last few years, like TM with the 5-7 and now WE with the P226, they just don't seem to be building them as well, maybe to save cost. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
mimesis Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 So here's an interesting thing. H.K. have just come out with a P226. As it's widely believed that H.K. are the manufacturers of all the PX4s and Glock 17s and 18Cs sold under (or distributed by) the WE name, this hardly seems like a coincidence. Here it is. http://airsoft.tiger111hk.com/p19034/H.K-Steel-Rail-P226-Airsoft-GBB-BK/product_info.html The thing is, if the slide is identical to the WE pictured above, it's not going to be the good buy that the H.K. PX4 and Glocks appear to be. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Yeah, I spotted that earlier. Interesting to note it has the thin mag floor plate as opposed to the first gen thicker one on the WE and TM. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 And a slide that looks a little greyer, like an E2, plus that trigger is a little thinner than the TM P226, might be a modern P226 where they added some E2 features? 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 The E2 mags could be interesting. Those are damned-near impossible to get in the UK - although, are WE/HK mags to be avoided? Link to post Share on other sites
intinerious Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 So here's an interesting thing. H.K. have just come out with a P226. As it's widely believed that H.K. are the manufacturers of all the PX4s and Glock 17s and 18Cs sold under (or distributed by) the WE name, this hardly seems like a coincidence. Here it is. http://airsoft.tiger111hk.com/p19034/H.K-Steel-Rail-P226-Airsoft-GBB-BK/product_info.html The thing is, if the slide is identical to the WE pictured above, it's not going to be the good buy that the H.K. PX4 and Glocks appear to be. They're also coming out with the HK3P gen 4 frame with real trades on the Glock. Hm I would've first said it's the same as the WE p226 but since you've pointed out that the mags use a thin base plate it MIGHT be different after all. But I'm certain that whatever factory's producing the new WE pistol's the same as the HK3P one, evident by the HK3P Glock being exactly the same as the WE one (and SG Lonewolf). Given the colour and the materials on the HK3P p226 is similar to the WE p226 it's probably from the same factory as well. If there are design changes I'd suspect that WE p226s have prevailing broken slide issues? Perhaps they did modify it...I don't read the Taiwan or HK forums so I won't know The E2 mags could be interesting. Those are damned-near impossible to get in the UK - although, are WE/HK mags to be avoided? The HK3P PX4 mags are great (although they seem to have fitting issues; I sometimes find that there's an odd mag that doesn't seem to work in one gun but works in another. Out of the 18 PX4s I've handled and 36 PX4 magazines only 2 of the mags I've found had this issue; though it's not fair to say there's only 2 mags with issues as I didn't try all permutations of mixing the guns and mags. For the HK3P Glock I'm not sure whether it's the 200% spring and the AS nozzle being slightly off spec but after I added those upgrades the mags seem to cool down quickly. But I also note that the upgraded Glock has problems locking back; I suspect the seal between the mag router and the AS nozzle isn't good....might try to switch my BBU and / or get SD enhanced gas routers to test whether this is true. So one mag from HK3P is good to go, whereas the other mag isn't really (I can't diagnose it yet ). There's also the Hk3P Samurai Edge. I don't have that gun but if there's owners here that can chime in that'll be great Link to post Share on other sites
charlie 6 Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Nice to see that they copied the correct mags/mag plate this time. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 You can get SIG mags with thick base plates as well as thin ones. Both are correct. Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Yep. The thick-baseplate (original Marui type) are replicas of 10rnd civilian SIG magazines. The new thin-baseplate (E2 Marui type) are replicas of 15rnd law-enforcement/military SIG magazines. Link to post Share on other sites
charlie 6 Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Let me rephrase. Good to see that HK copied the 9mm specific mags. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 You can get the .40/.357 mags with a thin floor plate... Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 In other news (and on another forum) WE's pistol quality has greatly improved! Not. Ok not good..... After the 3rd reload this happens! Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 I can't even tell what part that is, but it doesn't look good :| Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 Brittle plastic feed lips. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 To be honest i am not suprised. Couple people not wanting to spend too much with the ability to export your toy gun to another country safe in the knowledge that if it goes wrong they can do nothing about it and you have WE. Cheap and with a distinct lack of aftermarket care means i would never deal with them. But it does seem the P226 is one to certainly avoid. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
Wingman Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Thank goodness for this thread as I was going to consider getting one of these to do project on. I guess I'm sticking with the KJW and TM. Too bad as the price looked right. I wonder if the frame has any issues as I have a spare TM P226 slide group and was looking to have a back-up in the collection. My complete TM P226 is many years old (I cant even guess the number of bb's that have gone thru it) and other than a recoil spring guide and spring, is completely stock. Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Just out of interest - has anyone's TM P226 actually gone permanently wrong? Ever? All I'm hearing is evangelical praise, and it's at the very least improbable that that's the whole story... Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 has anyone's TM P226 actually gone permanently wrong? Ever? All I'm hearing is evangelical praise, and it's at the very least improbable that that's the whole story... I have highlighted the reason as to why they haven't in your post Aside from a very heavy double action trigger that feels like you are going to break the gun and the issue with the two piece magazines splitting at the join and stripping the threads (rare though) i can't think of any more. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
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