Half Trigger Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 When I buy a gun, no matter how expensive it is. I expect it to work out of the box. With DTW and CTW working together I reckon they will fine tune weapon platform to produce less faults then possibly a CTW will have!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 (edited) Well, you can live in hope I guess. It's a bit like Lada getting together with Mahindra Mahindra, and everyone is expecting them to produce something that will beat a Bugatti Veyron, but cost the same as a Ford Focus.....gotta say, wake up! Edited February 14, 2013 by Inq Eisenhorn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Half Trigger Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Well, you can live in hope I guess. It's a bit like Lada getting together with Mahindra Mahindra, and everyone is expecting them to produce something that will beat a Bugatti Veyron, but cost the same as a Ford Focus.....gotta say, wake up! Indeed! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 I think we got a small misunderstanding here. I (and I think you too) play airsoft to have fun. And fun it is, but for me firing an AK at the range beats airsoft in terms of having fun. So if I was to choose between fun (Systema PTW) and even more fun (real steel AK) I would choose more fun . Systema PTW is a great piece of gear. The feeling, the trigger response, the bolt stop feature-that is all great, but a bit too expensive for my taste. For some people, going down to the range isn't an option, so spending money on a real steel AK is pretty meaningless. PTW's are what they are, sure I could spend money on a WELL MP5, hell, I could run around my local field with a McDonalds straw, anyone can spend less on their hobby. IMHO, if that's your attitude maybe the hobby isn't for you. If you find more fun in other things, just do those other things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
QQexDERA Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Ing, you do actually own a PTW don't you? I've had a few, and i'm under no illusion as to their weak points, and basic design flaws. Most owners will admit that there are things that need to be done to a PTW to get it to work as well as it should do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Half Trigger Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 For some people, going down to the range isn't an option, so spending money on a real steel AK is pretty meaningless. PTW's are what they are, sure I could spend money on a WELL MP5, hell, I could run around my local field with a McDonalds straw, anyone can spend less on their hobby. IMHO, if that's your attitude maybe the hobby isn't for you. If you find more fun in other things, just do those other things. Or have more than one hobby? Personally I fall into having all but one serious hobby at the moment, and that being airsoft. I wish I had more things to take up my time. Rather than roaming the forums and tinkering with my gear. But I don't lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jal3 Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 The problem is not just that the price-to-quality ratio is horrible, they're actually quite *suitcase* out of box. Faulty motors, horrible shimjob, botched hopup, breaking receiver etc. There's people here who pay(paid) 1500-2000£ or more for AEG's too. There's people who will throw any kind of money at something if they think it's good, even though you can only throw so much money at parts before it's just pure extra. When people pay that much for the product, they pay for the skill put into it, not the parts themselves. Considering the bad QA on PTW's, you can't really justify the price that way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mightyjebus Posted February 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 It always amazes me the way people think that because the Systema is $1500 it's actually worth $1500. Do you really think it costs Systema more than a couple of hundred dollars to make? Do you think there is much difference between a TM SOPMOD and the ARMY SOPMOD? Is the TM somehow made of fairy dust because it's $350 more expensive? If you buy a TM version you will probably stick in a stronger spring but the ARMY version comes with that installed already so it's actually more skirmishable than the TM out the box. The DTW is available from Asia without all the added CTW parts as this is a venture between Celcius and D&G but D&G are still selling the DTW as they are now. The Celcius/D&G venture is another option for people to buy a DTW with a few CTW parts which costs a bit more but offers piece of mind in the fact that you will be getting some spare parts from a TW platform that is horribly flawed. I've always said buy a PTW if you can afford it, buy a DTW if you can't but want a similar performace and buy a CTW if you want it to spend most of it's time in the shop getting fixed. And since this is a review if you haven't owned or spent a considerable amount of time using a DTW then keep your comments to yourself as the idea behind the review is for people who have experience, god or bad, to put their comments on here to allow genuine interested parties to make a decision about buying a DTW. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Templar Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 So far at my local site 2 people have recently got a DTW. One hasn't worked at all but the guy has to fiddle with things from new. Other guy hasn't touched his and worked well so far after 2 or 3k rounds through it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nath Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 Got some more questions regarding this platform. Anyone checked if Vanaras outer barrel fit? What with Vanaras magazines? In the review the mix of Systema shell and Vanaras inner worked, but maybe someone can confirm if the complete Vanaras mag fit nad feed. And last, but not least, what spring you guys estimate will be the strongest you can put in DTW? I was thinking to use it as both the assault and DMR, since you just have to switch cylinders to adjust the gun power, and that can be done on the fly on the field. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 And since this is a review if you haven't owned or spent a considerable amount of time using a DTW then keep your comments to yourself as the idea behind the review is for people who have experience, god or bad, to put their comments on here to allow genuine interested parties to make a decision about buying a DTW. I think you'll find that, aside from the OP, the majority of comments since have been made by people who have neither owned, or in some cases, plan to own the reviewed product. So unless you've spawned Moderator status, I would suggest winding in ones neck, rather than trying to dictate the placement of opinion. That said, in spite of your tone, I do agree (even though I've been an offending party), it would be nice to read a review thread that was filled with relevant fact and owner experience. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mightyjebus Posted February 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 let's agree to disagree.....or not. PM'ing MOD's to have this topic closed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 (edited) WHAT?!?! Why would you want this topic closed?. Personally, even though I'm not necessarily in favour of the DTW, I think it's story is far from told. Edited February 15, 2013 by Inq Eisenhorn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nath Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 I must strongly agree with Inq Eisenhorn-cleaning the topic from all what's not DTW related would be a good ideam but why closing it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Templar Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 I must agree. I'm interested in the DTW issue. Why close the thread? Healthy debate is just that... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thatguy404 Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 Still wish we had a UK supplier and a concrete opinion on accuracy and reliability Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jkerry2782 Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 there will be uk supplier, they had them arrive today Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Templar Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 After speaking to JD yesterday they are the supplier of the CTW / DTW ones. Got them in stock already. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 I thought the official UK supplier was JD Airsoft? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jkerry2782 Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 Action hobbys are now stockings them and the spares Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thatguy404 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 At £309+ though.Ouchies.Almost worth getting the DTW/CTW version, twinned with the MDD hop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnc2k Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I've picked up the CQB version from RSOV, and so far just plinking not seen any problems, apart from the DTW mag being tight in the magwell. I also purchased some PTS PMags and found when loaded, the bolt catch gets engaged. I've tried tightening the grub screw on the bottom of the mag (which resulted in making it easier to seat in the magwell), but it bolt catch still engages. Any ideas? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Orius Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Try fitting a heatsink over tab which engages the bolt catch. I find the PTS mags have a hard time pushing the tab up to activate the bolt catch switch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnc2k Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Sorry perhaps I didnt make it clear, im having the opposite problem, it engages all the time Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1st Commando Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 we have had all sorts of problems with the PTS mags in both PTWs and DTWs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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