jkerry2782 Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 how long till we can get hold of them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kunlun Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 UHMAGERD, it looks better than the DTW! + more compatible parts with PTW! Lemme buy it already! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thatguy404 Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 Someone please correct me here, I read a reviewing saying the ctw stops firing on empty, but you do not have to use the bolt catch to re enable firing? What are people's thoughts on the g&d ctw combo, £389 seems a decent price. Plus if the bolt catch etc works I'm sold. Does anybody have a review of trigger response, as I am struggling. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kithooton Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) Someone please correct me here, I read a reviewing saying the ctw stops firing on empty, but you do not have to use the bolt catch to re enable firing? What are people's thoughts on the g&d ctw combo, £389 seems a decent price. Plus if the bolt catch etc works I'm sold. Does anybody have a review of trigger response, as I am struggling. Was told to stay aware from the G&D and CTW parts. No Point. Actionhobbies sell a DTW for £300 with warranty. Also seen that A&K http://akairsoft.com/home.html are doing an MP5 TW Edited March 29, 2013 by kithooton Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stefanitsr Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 In case you want an a&k do a search for the "TWM4-A1" string on taiwangun.com. They have ~20 on stock at this time. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jkerry2782 Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 so which one is better dtw or ak ptw Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stefanitsr Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 A&K, no doubt, however it may not suitable for all markets, as it shoots ~500 fps ootb. I have ordered one for review, if everything goes well, a detailed review will be on youtube next weekend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jkerry2782 Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 well FPS is easy to fix at least Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nath Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) Read it on other board that A&K motor is said to be quite faulty (due that is 2007 PTW clone). I wonder how's the hop up, and what mags fits and feeds. Edited March 29, 2013 by Nath Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) Ah *suitcase*, just bought a DTW, after all the "hype" I had to see for myself. I think I'll wait before buying A&K, they can't seem to get standard AEG's right, so not sure they can manage a TW On another note, how long before we start seeing TW from G&P, G&G, VFC et al. Edited March 29, 2013 by Inq Eisenhorn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stefanitsr Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Read it on other board that A&K motor is said to be quite faulty (due that is 2007 PTW clone). I wonder how's the hop up, and what mags fits and feeds. I have to point out some facts. The motor on clones has to be compatible with the PTW platform, so need to be compatible with TWs. For example the FCC motor is a clone too. They have to have the same dimensions, have to have two magnets and of course 3 coils on the rotor. I'd say that is not enough for any kind of speculation about possible motor lifespan. Also the DTW is said to be a clone of the ~2008 PTW I have ~8000 shots on mine, and the motor still works (however I have broken off one of the brush tensioners and fixed it myself). Furthermore, the A&K TW just hit the market, conclusively I doubt that anyone has long term experience with them. It is too early to say anything about the lifespan on the motors. All we know at this time it is a more exact copy when compared to the DTW and it said to be (!) a clone of the 2008 systema. After all, these all manufactured in 2012-2013 (DTW and a&K) they have to have the systema issues in mind during design and manufacturing but time will tell how reliable these motors are. On another note, how long before we start seeing TW from G&P, G&G, VFC et al. China has not too strict copyright laws, so I'd say G&P, G&G and VFC (taiwanese companies) will not risk a copyright lawsuit with systema. I recently had an M16A4 from a&k and was satisfied with it, so at the moment cannot like Easter as it takes one from the workdays of the week so delivery of my A&K TW could take 3 days longer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Fair enough. On a more philosophical note, how long before these TW really start to erode Systema's market? If they haven't already. Apart from the ultra hardcore PTW supporters anyone new to the TW sub market will surely look at these over a considerably more expensive PTW. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nath Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) I have to point out some facts. The motor on clones has to be compatible with the PTW platform, so need to be compatible with TWs. For example the FCC motor is a clone too. They have to have the same dimensions, have to have two magnets and of course 3 coils on the rotor. I'd say that is not enough for any kind of speculation about possible motor lifespan. Also the DTW is said to be a clone of the ~2008 PTW I have ~8000 shots on mine, and the motor still works (however I have broken off one of the brush tensioners and fixed it myself). I used to run a 2007 Systema PTW and motor in the one I had was failing badly. Oh, and I found this also http://www.filairsoft.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119687&page=2 post #18 motor failing (probably after a long burst). The posts are from 2012, so I'm not sure if the A&K TW sold now are of the same batch. As soon as I get rid one of mine gbbrs I'm gonna check the A&K TW from my local retailer. @Inq Eisenhorn I think that it would go the same as AEG market-there are many acm aeg available, but people still buy G&P, VFC or Avalon guns. Edited March 30, 2013 by Nath Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 @ Nath True, but the price differential between the mainstream brands and ACM stuff isn't that large, so people can still justify buying from a "quality" brand, if such a beast really exists. In the case of Systema, the price gap is huge. I think the real Systema killer will the company who applies the TW touch to other rifle types, SCAR, AK, etc. Systema proved it was possible with the MP5..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nath Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 AFAIK WE is working on a katana system Scar. Matter of electronic parts to make it TW style. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Does anyone know if the black cylinder from King Arms will fit and function in the DTW? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stefanitsr Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Cylinder is fully ptw compatible, conclusively if the KA cylinder fits in the PTW it should fit in the DTW. On the other hand ebairsoft sells the m90 DTW cylinder for approx 70 usd shipped. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
White_Rabbit Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 In case you want an a&k do a search for the "TWM4-A1" string on taiwangun.com. They have ~20 on stock at this time. Looks like they have all gone Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blingblip Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 AFAIK WE is working on a katana system Scar. Matter of electronic parts to make it TW style. Yes but the WE katana's are more of a jumped up ICS system than a TW. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nath Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Looks like they have all gone Dropped them a line when it will (if will) be back in stock. Yes but the WE katana's are more of a jumped up ICS system than a TW. Like I said, matter of electronic gizmo to get it working as a TW. People do TW style weapons out of plain AEGs, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kithooton Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Ah *suitcase*, just bought a DTW, after all the "hype" I had to see for myself. I think I'll wait before buying A&K, they can't seem to get standard AEG's right, so not sure they can manage a TW On another note, how long before we start seeing TW from G&P, G&G, VFC et al. The best Scenario would be... The god farther of Airsoft. A Tokyo Marui PTW lol... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beeingmyself Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Ah *suitcase*, just bought a DTW, after all the "hype" I had to see for myself. I think I'll wait before buying A&K, they can't seem to get standard AEG's right, so not sure they can manage a TW On another note, how long before we start seeing TW from G&P, G&G, VFC et al. They will probably be copying Airsoftsystems ASAR after it gets out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bastel Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Sorry for offtopic. Does anybody knows something about these PTFU System? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Sorry for offtopic. Does anybody knows something about these PTFU System? Never heard of it. Did you make it up? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordElpus Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Never heard of it. Did you make it up? The M16 in the video posted above Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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