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Snoopy's Initial Impressions on the Tokyo Marui MP7A1 GBB

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Mine broke too exactly like the ones in the photos. I'm quite ###### and I used 134a gas.. And thats with one mag done :(

 

With 134a gas?? Where's the touted TM Quality here??? Most Probably yours is an isolated case but ....... maybe not..........i love my KWA.

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Ordered from redwolf; hopefully it arrives soon!

 

Even if the nozzles blows itself apart, I couldn't care less - being Marui it will attract a phenomenal amount of aftermarket support, so I'm not exactly worried.

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unless the design is fundamentally flawed ;-)

Just kidding, I'm pretty sure someone will make one out of more suitable plastic.

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Mine broke too exactly like the ones in the photos. I'm quite ###### and I used 134a gas.. And thats with one mag done :(

 

Wow. that is rare indeed. Do you have images?

You literally put in your first magazine, fired a few rounds, checked and it was broken?

Who did you buy from?

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I bought it from Ehobby, they already have cases where nozzles have broken from their own show room sales. I might just send everything related to the gun back to ehobby for a refund...

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Heard from Echigoya. According to em, replacement parts wont be available for the next 3 months. They did say that they'll take the replacement part off of the test model they have and send it to me. Still waiting for confirmation.

 

In 3 months guarder or airsoft surgeon will probably have come out with reinforced versions.

 

I hope ehobby didnt send you a floor model thats been used with green gas. If they did use green gas on it, then it might have already developed a crack then.

 

Did you check the nozzle when you got the mp7?

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Belt mounted mp7 hip pouch. Tailored for me by Head On Tactical.

 

Tabs could be positioned up top or be off set. Having it off set keeps the magazine base plates from hitting each other. It also makes pulling the tabs sideways easier as it slides off to the side.

 

The magazine sits over the pouch. Pouch is 4" deep which allows for minimal clearance when taking the magazines out but is deep enough for the magazines to sit securely in place. Magazine sits high on the belt which minimizes the flop as the pouch do not have any straps to mount onto your leg (its too high anyway). The low profile nature of the pouch allows for a solid hip mount...it doesn't flop when you're running and doesn't hinder movement for when you're crouched.

 

I just got a chance to check out the TMC triple mag pouches for the mp7 and I'm not impressed.

 

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Mine broke too exactly like the ones in the photos. I'm quite ###### and I used 134a gas.. And thats with one mag done :(

 

I smell some trolling here.

 

On 134a TMs are tested and outperform what they should be doing, unless you were firing it in an oven I can't see how this happened.

 

'FireKnife'

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Why would you call someone a troll like that for no reason?

 

The guy is from New Zealand, AFAIK the climate there is pretty hot, and it's summer there now as well, so...

 

Don't be mad because your beloved TM MP7 isn't holding up like you want it to...

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Why would you call someone a troll like that for no reason?

 

The guy is from New Zealand, AFAIK the climate there is pretty hot, and it's summer there now as well, so...

 

Don't be mad because your beloved TM MP7 isn't holding up like you want it to...

 

Wow do you have issues, considering that the temperature in NZ is actually not that extreme, and would not reach levels to force a TM gun to break on 134a added to that the user has not posted anywhere else as far as I can see, add to that no picture evidence, or even a link / description to what has happened then it does look like trolling.

 

If it was, 'hey, my TM MP7 broke on 134a while firing it on a hot day that was about 32-35 degrees after about a few magazines use, it has broken like so and here is a picture / link to prove it' then fine, but to add yourself to a forum and just put 'my gun has broken like the others' is not useful information.

 

And FYI I have been to New Zealand, during December time, at the height of the warm summer season and it is no worse than being in Spain or Portugal at the same time. The kind of temperatures would be the ones that TM tested at seeing as in Japan the temperature can also reach such heights, remember as it is the local market they will want to make sure it works on the locally accepted gas at these temperatures.

 

'FireKnife'

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Wow do you have issues...

 

 

L O L, enough said.

 

I'm not the one calling someone a troll for no reason. I wasn't aware that you needed 1000 + posts and an FBI investiagation report to seem credible.

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I really want to post a response that just points out a few things but really I have better things to do than discuss with a person that clearly doesn't understand the simplest of points.

 

I will leave you to it and instead my next point is to the rest of this thread.

 

Ok, this does seem bad about the nozzle, however first how many have sold, I bet thousands, and I have heard and seen two credible reports of one breaking. It is still not good to see guns breaking, but then it shows that this is one of those TM designs that is designed to run hard on 134a, so admittedly when you take it into a high temperatures and put Green in it then we know it can't take it (for the examples given, we don't know how many others are running this on Green in high temperatures), if only TM would deal with non-Japanese orders for spare parts this wouldn't be so bad but alas they don't silly TM. Second this should be the answer for groups that do make aftermarket parts for a TM to suddenly jump to and get on the ball, they could make a fortune with such a part as it will appease those in strong temperatures and get replacements to fill the gap that TM themselves have left open. I bet somewhere right now, someone is making a replacement or up rated part to take Green better, which would be great, now if only they could speed it up and release it :P.

 

Still what makes me laugh is all the people in the UK that are moaning after seeing one MP7 by TM break and then condeming the lot of them, saying the KWA is better. Hang on, one didn't the KSC original have this issue back when it first came out and two doesn't the KWA fire too hot to be used in the UK on Green without mods? Here we have a MP7 that can fire on 134a without issue in the UK and fires at CQB friendly temperatures where it is most likely to see use. Yes a few broke but they all seem to be so far Green or propane in a hot country, something that with the new heavier blowback is not a good idea. I have yet to see someone try such a thing in the UK (and remember the start of this paragraph, UK people) and how the results fare, so when I see those, seeing as this is our market I will then pass judgement.

 

'FireKnife'

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Darklite's TM MP7's been holding out and I can bet you he's running it exclusively on green gas. He's probably dry fired enough times than most people have taken it out to games too...you'd think the green gas fumes would've gotten to him :P

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Yup. Though I've yet to play a game with it (roll on Saturday!) I have been dry firing it a loooooot on green and no issues so far.

 

Though knowing my luck it'll probably explode on Saturday's game.

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Yup. Though I've yet to play a game with it (roll on Saturday!) I have been dry firing it a loooooot on green and no issues so far.

 

Though knowing my luck it'll probably explode on Saturday's game.

 

Probably as a result of the combination of forces from the gas and forces from scrapping a bb from the mag, making the nozzle reach a load state dry firing just can't reach ;-)

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I smell some trolling here.

 

On 134a TMs are tested and outperform what they should be doing, unless you were firing it in an oven I can't see how this happened.

 

'FireKnife'

 

I smell some trolling here too.

 

You are basing the assumption that 1) The cause of the breakage is green gas (and without multiple units to test and confirm this is an unfounded assumption, 2) That Marui would have destructively stress tested their products at varying temperatures over numbers of BBs, and that they do this regularly to monitor their QC. How do you know they don't just dry fire test it rather than load BBs? Its not the first time to see Marui loading nozzles break from loading BBs on 134a, or semi disconnectors warp out of shape because marui didn't design their BBU properly.

 

You sir, are putting people down based on conjecture.

 

I really want to post a response that just points out a few things but really I have better things to do than discuss with a person that clearly doesn't understand the simplest of points.

 

Your arrogance is astounding. So you understand the simplest of points? It doesn't look like you do either.

 

We are here to voice observations, discuss performance, issues and possible causes and fixes. This is a review thread. So please contribute if you have something to contribute, and not shoot down someone who may have a valid contribution/observation.

 

Is that simple enough point for you, Fireknife?

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Honestly? A Troll? You gotta be kidding me, I can't even open up my MP7 because Im thinking of "RMA"ing the thing back to ehobby and if I open it I'll void that chance to do so. Also its not a good sight racking my bolt back and seeing part of my nozzle lodged into the hopup unit and also having the inner valve and spring fall out.. I was actually brought to this thread by ehobby and ehobby has told me to wait and they will send me a new nozzle when a reinforced one has come out. As for pictures I barely have time to fiddle with my other guns these days so if you really want a picture ill email you one. So call a troll all you want and think you know everything about these guns and how they were made as every gas gun failures are so reliant on different climates and conditions in which they were fired in :)

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*Tactical Handbag Equipped*

 

In all sincerity, what the hell? Lads I get that there is some animosity between users, and overall dislikes of posting styles...but is the confrontation entirely necessary? No one is scaremongering - people are posting about their experiences, and it is helping.

I had one on order with Redwolf, but they won't ship to Ireland (no idea why), and so since the order's been cancelled I'm in no hurry to replace it.

 

This is Marui; they have proven themselves time and again in performance and quality. They are not beyond reproach though. People are of the opinion that they can do no wrong, which just isn't the case; the reason you go marui is because there is a significantly lower lemon rate and thus you are infinitely more likely to get a supremely performing gun.

 

I don't get the two extremes of "MARUI AM OVERRATED" and "MARUI AM PERFECTION" - this is a review thread; people should be able to discuss the merits of the product, especially when it concerns a potentially fatal design flaw.

 

@XTCY: Any chance of a photo of the nozzle? Don't open the gun on our account if you still want to go refund route - but just if you decide, please do post pictures. I'd wager that your air nozzle has a bubble in it like the OP's (which in all likelihood would have blown itself to pieces on 134a as well)

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Confrontation is necessary when someone out of the blue accuses a user, a new one at that, of being a troll and a fake poster, with no explenation or background info on why other than "It just can't be so" ...

 

If nobody sais anything and we all allow it to go on unoticed it will escalate into absurdity, although IMO it has already. Thus me asking the question of W T F.

 

I understand that there has to be some room for non-contributing posts, in form of jokes and horsing around and general chatter, but IMO the primary reason we all are here, or should be here, is to share and discuss the topic and information at hand.

 

Posts which add absolutely zero value and are a direct, unfounded attack on another user, out of context, cannot and should not be accepted nor tolerated.

 

Discussions between users is another thing.

 

Had the post in question been formulated as "Really, do you have pictures to show? What circumstances did this happen under, temperature, brand of gas" etc. Then that is another story. Trust but verify. But a direct attack out of the blue, that is just ###### and cannot be tolaretad no matter who posts it (ie. so called well known "senior" forum member).

 

For all we know this guy, xtcy, is a lurker and first time poster. I read these forums for years before I signed up, and what pushed me over the edge was that I felt I had something important to share, much the same as this guy who is contributing to the data statistics of broken nozzles of the TM MP7, adding on top of his own experience also contributing a HK retailers confirmation of this problem which IMO is very valuable information that should be highlighted.

 

So yeah, it is necessary.

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In all sincerity, what the hell? Lads I get that there is some animosity between users, and overall dislikes of posting styles...but is the confrontation entirely necessary? No one is scaremongering - people are posting about their experiences, and it is helping.

 

 

Actually yeah, confrontation is required in this case. Someone get put down as a troll for expressing their observations in a review thread is straight bullying, and watching idly by is ignorance.

 

NonEx took the first step to voice his disagreement but it seems someone didn't get it the first time.

 

I am sure that the real troll is most likely having a laugh at the moment.

 

 

 

I don't get the two extremes of "MARUI AM OVERRATED" and "MARUI AM PERFECTION" - this is a review thread; people should be able to discuss the merits of the product, especially when it concerns a potentially fatal design flaw.

 

 

Precisely the point of this thread.

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I understand Fireknifes point. I am also going to assume trolling, until any proof is given. I had the exact same thought when I first saw the message.

I mean no offence to you Xtcy, but your first post fills so many points on the list of identifying a troll post.

 

1. new user (check E)

2. same claim that others offer that is against a manufacturer that some people just hate for no real reason.

3. absolutely no proof.

4. unbeliavable circumstances of happening. (134a and only one mag shot)

5. considering TMs history and what they design their guns for(local market, absolute reliability with the propellant they use locally).

 

Just to clarify: I am no TM fanboy. Only TM guns I've had were a stock M4 and P226, which both were good for their own purposes, but nothing stellar in general.

 

E: Just checked Xtcys profile for date of joining. Old lurker, so this counts out the new user.

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See my post above for answers to your questions and how it SHOULD have been handled.

 

It is OK to doubt information and people (yes, new users do seem suspicious at times), but ask questions in a proper manner and don't go attacking someone for no reason.

 

IMO, when I read the post there was no question in my mind if he was legit or not. Innocent until proven guitly. I have seen far more dubious posts from senior members than that and nobody cares because of post count. When the majority of your post count consists of BS then how credible is that user in all reality...

 

As for TMs track record and that it should be bullet proof under the "right circumstances" (temps and gas). Unlike TMs pistols and rifles this is relatively new territory for TM, ie. full auto GBB SMG. It is similar, but there are significant differenses, and being their first product in this line up, problems should not come as a complete suprise, no matter how good of a track record.

 

Just look at how many car manufactuers etc. have to recall thousands of units because of production faults, nobody is perfect.

 

I think if you have that type of outlook on peoples posts your general view of people online is going down hill, and I get that to some extent, the internet is going to hell, but this is after all a pretty serious and driven place, there are far worse places were trolls roam free. So I think everyone, unless absolutely rediculus (ie. Viagra spam), should be given some respect and credibility until proven otherwise.

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