Dr.Arnie Posted December 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 at this point only the cost of the raw materials can be calculated and at that its only rough. when i last did an estimate it was for the barrel, upper reciever and cylinder and at that point it was at about £40/50. most of the cost will be in the machining and man hours to assemble it. the man hours will come from having to make sure that all the parts fit precisely and correctly. i have not factored in the costs of the o-rings and springs yet but that shouldnt be to expensive. the main priority for me is to not skimp on quality which will make it a bit more expensive but this is my prefectionism getting in the way. it has also be a priority since day one, that as this is esentialy a magazine fed device my aim is to make the cylinders as cheap as i can for the masses. it has always annoyed me how magazines are expensive for what they are. one more thing to add is that the o-rings and hop rubber will be off the shelf parts as well as the barrel. again this is to keep costs down for the end user Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 one more thing to add is that the o-rings and hop rubber will be off the shelf parts as well as the barrel. again this is to keep costs down for the end user A design philosophy the entire f***ing industry should live by... Link to post Share on other sites
Dr.Arnie Posted December 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 A design philosophy the entire f***ing industry should live by... exactly, thats why this gun is desgined by airsofters for airsofters. i just hope it works out otherwise we will have a lovely paper-weight! here is another picture plus the first again in the hopes they actualy show this time! Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 i understand that its a 4 inch barreled revolver, but is there any chance at 6 or even 8 inch versions? i like 4 inch revolvers, but 6 inch ones tickle my pants. longger ones offer a better platform for those crazy people who like to run pistols only. but i guess its not bad if your using standard barrels. i could always extend the barrel and stick a suppressor on it like a chump. Link to post Share on other sites
Voxcaster Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 He's building a real spec MP4-12 Rex so I'm assuming not. Wouldn't take much to extend it but it's no longer a replica. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 I am following this with great interests. Please, though, make it compatible with TM GBB barrels and hop-up rubbers. As long as you can make the gas system efficient and consistent, the only upgrades players will want/need will be barrels and hop-ups, and keeping them TM spec ensures a lot of parts are available and that more people will adopt your system for tinkerinkering. Link to post Share on other sites
Dr.Arnie Posted December 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 thanks for the support guys. at the moment it will remain s a 4" barrel. there was supposedly a 6" model also and there is a photo of it but the primary reason for not doing it at this stage is weight. the barrel is essentially a an inch square block of steel and makes up for half of the total weight of the gun at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites
Bobby Lemain Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Steel? Bluing? I shall be watching this. +1 for the extended barrels, but since these will probably be made in very small runs, it would increase production cost.If the production run shoots accurately and is relatively affordable, the airsoft world needs more people like you.And a Colt Navy *cough*Edit: if the gas is being held in the grip instead of the cylinder, imagine it on external air... Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Does this mean it's going to be made out of steel? You have me seriously considering purchasing a revolver for the first time ever. Link to post Share on other sites
Voxcaster Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Honestly looks brilliant. Hope it works out alright. Link to post Share on other sites
sandstorm Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Hmm, makes me want to put a wicked-big compensator on it to explain why there's no barrel climb... Link to post Share on other sites
Dr.Arnie Posted December 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 yep made out of steel chaps and blued . sadly the gas can only ever be in the cylinder for this model. future plans consist of a webley and a smith and wesson model 3. those desgins require us getting ahold of the actual guns, whihc is a tad hard in the uk and also tweaking the removable cylinder mech as the recievers are a lot narrower than the rex. honestly is does resemble an aerodynamic brick! but i love it lol Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 *cough cough*http://www.zib-militaria.de/epages/61431412.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61431412/Products/20039http://www.zib-militaria.de/epages/61431412.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61431412/Products/20039 And as far as I know, it's not a deact, so nice and legal. Enjoy! Link to post Share on other sites
Slawtering Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 ** http://www.zib-militaria.de/epages/61431412.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61431412/Products/20039 56 Euros seems awfully cheap, I might get in on that if it is all legit, as they are usually at least £200 here and I havn't found one for £200 in a while. EDIT: Nevermind didn't see that its a replica, though it should still be ale to take the pressure of airsoft gas. Link to post Share on other sites
Voxcaster Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Wow, that is cheap... Arnie, how hard would it be to make the cylinders compatible with multiple revolvers? Link to post Share on other sites
Slawtering Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 What you could do is to have the gas held inside the handle and then when the break action is closed, there would be a pin from the gas canister in the handle, pricking into a small reservoir inside the the cylinder. This allows for you to have multiple cylinders and when they have ran out of gas they will be refilled from the gas inside the handle. Also: http://www.battleorders.co.uk/guns/modern-replicas/webley-mk-iv-revolver-g1119-1.html Atleast you would know that is legal because they sell in in the UK, if a few bob more expensive. Link to post Share on other sites
Voxcaster Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Right, but with gas in the handle it's a lot less skirmishable because now you're limited by the gas capacity of the handle, instead of the amount of cylinders you're carrying. I don't think you'd be able to get too many shots off of a handle reservoir - at least, definitely not as much as having 6 or 7 cylinders with gas in them. Link to post Share on other sites
Slawtering Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Yes but you would have more my way because you have gas in the cylinders AND inside the handle. The handle is more of a backup gas rather than to be used all the time, it is for use when all your cylinders have expended all their gas. Link to post Share on other sites
Dr.Arnie Posted December 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 not a bad link thanks for the link darklite. in answer to your question voxcaster, it probably wouldn't be to hard at all. the thought had crossed my mind. there would be a few issues to sort out, such as the mechanism to hold them in place with in the receiver, I'm already trying to come around that. the luxury with the rex is the huge amount of space on offer. the webley and model 3 are a lot more confined. the downside of them being universal would be the aesthetics as each revolvers cylinder is slightly different in terms of the flutes, diameter length etc. it would mean that some replicas wouldn't be strict 1:1 but if people are willing to sacrifice ease of use for this then it can be done. sorry long winded answer there Link to post Share on other sites
Voxcaster Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Oh, I suppose that'd be doable, but I'm assuming you'd be able to get six shots off a cylinder (hopefully) so I'm not sure when that'd come into play unless you're reloading individual cylinders mid-game Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Denix makes an excellent non-firing model 3 that is completely legal for you to buy: http://www.amazon.com/Denix-Schofield-Revolver-Nickel-Finish/dp/B004BDTCDS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1356690753&sr=8-3&keywords=schofield+revolver Link to post Share on other sites
Slawtering Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 This might interesting to people though I'm not sure if you already mentioned this earlier on in the thread. http://www.ww2airsoft.org.uk/php/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=16263 Link to post Share on other sites
Dr.Arnie Posted December 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 bugger, looks like weve been beaten to it! oh well thanks for all the links guys. sadly slatering that wouldnt work as the main reason for this design is to limit the amount of seals through and through and improve gas efficiency. each cylinder has approximately 40 shots per gas charge so excess gas isnt a problem. its just a bit more capacity then a hi-capa magazine Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 bugger, looks like weve been beaten to it! oh well Not quite. That's a Japanese Type 26 by HWS, a PEGASUS refit of their cap firing version. People are only wishing it was a Webley/Enfield. Link to post Share on other sites
sandstorm Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Not quite. That's a Japanese Type 26 by HWS, a PEGASUS refit of their cap firing version. People are only wishing it was a Webley/Enfield. I believe he meant the Pegasus Cylinder System, ie. gas and BBs in quick-swappable cylinder. I think Tanaka had Detachable Cylinder SAA's in this system, too? Link to post Share on other sites
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