vorpalbunnie Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 And I found these teasing pictures from the 2010 patent on their recoil system: So TM has the schematics for a recoil shock MP5. Yet another completely MIA TM like the MP9/TMP AEP. But on the bright side, this could mean that a recoil shock MP5 could be released in the near future! A man can dream. (Mods if this is in wrong area, sorry) Link to post Share on other sites
Honzo Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 lol how did you find this? I would definitely get a recoil mp5. Link to post Share on other sites
elanaiba Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 But ... but ... I see no "no bbs cutoff system" Link to post Share on other sites
Danke Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 I've seen this thing before on patent drawings and the bad news is the outer shell is irrelevant. That drawing is only there to give context to the item being patented and does not mean coming soon. Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Well at least it's an indicator that TM have the idea in mind for a potential release. Are we nearly due for another set of 4 partially blacked-out pictures yet? Link to post Share on other sites
Number5 Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Isn't there a hobby show in Feb/March coming up...? Link to post Share on other sites
kojak Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Why did they even shell out for US patents, I thought they only cared about the JDM? Link to post Share on other sites
coolurjets Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Why did they even shell out for US patents, I thought they only cared about the JDM? A very silly popular myth is what that is Link to post Share on other sites
GingaNinga Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Wouldn't the patent be to protect them in the markets that the patent is registered? Wouldn't it mean that a US company couldn't copy their design? They currently have patents on their recoil shock in Japan, US, China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Korea, and have applied to the EPO. If they didn't care about their overseas customers then they wouldn't put in the effort to make their manuals almost completely bilingual. Their recent HK416 release (and many past releases) have a very respectable amount of English in them. I think they care, but they don't cater, to foreign markets because Japanese law dictates what they can and can't make (metal pistols, 1J limits, etc). Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 If they did it like that there'd be no battery space for a K Link to post Share on other sites
vorpalbunnie Posted December 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 They have a bunch of weird patents too. One of which involved lasers. I remain hopeful for an MP5, and cow, you of all people could jury-rig some kind of PEQ and make it a K. Link to post Share on other sites
Honzo Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 If they have a patent on the sopmod, how come KWA is able to replicate and do a similar product like their ERG line up that's supposedly coming out soon? Also, anyone wonder why it's taking them (KWA) so long to be released after promising it years ago? Link to post Share on other sites
GingaNinga Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Well, if the whole apple vs Samsung thing is any indication, it seems that patent law has a number of ways to be interpreted in different parts of the world Link to post Share on other sites
coolurjets Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Actually under fair use policy a company can use a design as long as they are paying the Patent owner an agreed royalty. Link to post Share on other sites
Voxcaster Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 I'm assuming as long as the system doesn't resemble Marui's too closely, they shouldn't have any legal ramifications. As for the wait period - well, that's KWA for you. Link to post Share on other sites
SpankyTheDolphin Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Very interesting..... Link to post Share on other sites
CatgutViolin Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Actually under fair use policy a company can use a design as long as they are paying the Patent owner an agreed royalty. Only if the owner agrees to it. It's well within their power to refuse all offers. Anyways, don't look too hard into this, when it comes to patents this sort of thing happens all the time. All that matters for the patent is the actual physical mechanism, the shell around it is just fluff to give it some context so they have a bit of leverage if it gets infringed. Link to post Share on other sites
Berggy Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 With limited understanding I think there are not enough space within the mp5 shell that TM can stuff in the recoil weight. The potential on designing an mp5 recoil system seems pretty low. Link to post Share on other sites
Number5 Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 I think the design pics at the top of this post would beg to differ...? Link to post Share on other sites
Joseph Porta Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 patents arn`t worth a turnip anyhow, since the Chinese dont "really" bother about patent abuse, and even if they follow it up , so many Chinese companys are breaching patent law, it takes years. once its released, a china soft company will buy one, reverse engineer it, and have it rolling out at half the price within 6 months. good for the consumer, bad for shareholders and R+D of new products Link to post Share on other sites
swatti Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Grrr! Gief TMP aep, nowz! Link to post Share on other sites
Sallinen Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Or even better, GBB Link to post Share on other sites
(V)atrix Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 good for the consumer, bad for shareholders and R+D of new products In the long run, it's actually quite bad for the comsumer as well. Ignoring the economics issues caused - the Chinese are, in general, absolute *fruitcage* at innovation. It's almost always just a direct copy or a half-hearted, *fruitcaged* attempt at something different. If it's no longer profitable for Japanese or Taiwanese makers to innovate and create new designs or ideas, then they'll stop investing in that and it will result in no new designs or new tech... Leading to a stagnant market where we're at the mercy of Chinese "innovation" (heaven help us!) Link to post Share on other sites
Joseph Porta Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 thats whati said, "bad for R+D" Reasearch and development of new products which as you said dosnt come from china but the consumer has a choice, i know players who wont touch chinasoft, i personally would, i can buy 2 or 3 guns for the same price as a single "branded" gun. if one breaks , i scrap it for spares for the other two, Link to post Share on other sites
Algy Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 In the long run, it's actually quite bad for the comsumer as well. Ignoring the economics issues caused - the Chinese are, in general, absolute *fruitcage* at innovation. It's almost always just a direct copy or a half-hearted, *fruitcaged* attempt at something different. If it's no longer profitable for Japanese or Taiwanese makers to innovate and create new designs or ideas, then they'll stop investing in that and it will result in no new designs or new tech... Leading to a stagnant market where we're at the mercy of Chinese "innovation" (heaven help us!) Japanese firms weren't exactly well known for their innovation or respect for copyright/intellectual property back in the 60s and 70s either. But now look at them, they're producing some the most advanced tech in the world. Who knows, in 15-20 years maybe Chinese companies will be putting out the best gear (depending on the legal situation). Link to post Share on other sites
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