Danke Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Mid 80s FBI HRT; enjoy. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Sorry but the opening to that just reminds me of the ending to Commando and many other cheesy 80s action films . Sing with me, 'I will protect you, nothing can hurt you........'. That guy displaying the weapons has a rocking 70's porn 'tasche too. But other than that a good video, even if it seems a bit droll in some of the explanations. Plus I thought the FBI HRT teams ran 1911s at this point, not BHPs? 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
QQexDERA Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 You're lucky FireKnife - you aren't anywhere near old enough to have actually seen the "fashion" displayed in this vid for real Link to post Share on other sites
Danke Posted December 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Not sure how old you are but that was the 80s. I wish I still had my gold chain (the mustache is easy to grow back). As for the BHP; that pistol shares the same ammo as their primary. Plus I suspect they copied a lot of gear from some other black clad organization and then over time evolved their gear. Link to post Share on other sites
mysl1 Posted December 30, 2012 Report Share Posted December 30, 2012 Plus I suspect they copied a lot of gear from some other black clad organization FBI HRT was created with the help and guidance of Delta force. Have to say, since I saw this video couple of months ago I've had strange "itch" for old schoooooool black kits. Does anybody have a single clue about body armors used in this video or turning the mid 80´s? I suspect ABA or second chance vests but I haven't been able to find good photos or any tips for possible kit. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 FBI HRT was created with the help and guidance of Delta force. And was Delta Force not founded by someone that once served with / joint op'ed with the SAS by chance . You're lucky FireKnife - you aren't anywhere near old enough to have actually seen the "fashion" displayed in this vid for real I do have a few pics of my Dad back in the RAF days (so we are talking about 1980-1990) and damn everyone seemed to have a porn 'tasche. Plus add to that I have seen enough 80's source material in films etc to last me a life time. Either way it still looks like a character of Miami Vice. Not sure how old you are but that was the 80s. I wish I still had my gold chain (the mustache is easy to grow back). As for the BHP; that pistol shares the same ammo as their primary. Plus I suspect they copied a lot of gear from some other black clad organization and then over time evolved their gear. Well I did a quick check and the way it looks is this, they have carried a Springfield Armoury 1911 since the early 90s but as some of the HRT training was more given to improve the abilities of state law enforcement too you could see them training with whatever the locals had. But then not being there I can't comment. Either way I don't have the cash for a GBB MP5 or a decent group of players that would bother to train and have a laugh too . Oh and finally the guy in the light blue top, doing the speech to camera looks about as un-easy as someone that needs to take a dump but knows the condition the pub toilets are in . Still makes me want to do some HRT games etc. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
Danke Posted December 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Oh and finally the guy in the light blue top, doing the speech to camera looks about as un-easy as someone that needs to take a dump but knows the condition the pub toilets are in . Still makes me want to do some HRT games etc. 'FireKnife' Makes the SEALs in Act of Valour look like Oscar candidates (and probably how I come across on camera too). Link to post Share on other sites
QQexDERA Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 I do have a few pics of my Dad back in the RAF days (so we are talking about 1980-1990) and damn everyone seemed to have a porn 'tasche. Plus add to that I have seen enough 80's source material in films etc to last me a life time. Either way it still looks like a character of Miami Vice. The sheer horror of seeing the 80's porn tache in the flesh will live with you forever *crawls into corner of room and rocks forward and back whilst endlessly repeating "the horror, the horror"* Anyway, back on topic - the FBI HRT. Cold Zero by Christopher Whitcom is definitely worth a read, get a distinct feeling that they were winging it a lot of the time in the earlier days. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Anyway, back on topic - the FBI HRT. Cold Zero by Christopher Whitcom is definitely worth a read, get a distinct feeling that they were winging it a lot of the time in the earlier days. Well how hard can it be? Move in quick, stack up, hand on next guys shoulder, flash in, one sweep left, one sweep right, one takes the centre? If possibly second team enters from above or via other doorway? Once hostage are secured use the method the Secret Service use, cover and extract to safety. I would have thought it wasn't too hard, just you had to know your play, be assertive and have as much intel before you go in as you can? As for the porn 'tasche after watching the vidoes of The Cinema Snob I have seen enough to last me a lifetime. What was it again, 'watching 70-80's porn is like watching a group of spiders clambering onto a slug'. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
Danke Posted December 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 The 80s was a whole new world for the FBI. They were used to dealing with criminals & kidnappers who even when barricaded wanted to come of the siege alive. Once new type of terrorists got put on their plate the game changed. Since they are a huge established bureaucracy there may be a mandate to take on the task but internally the people who had built their little kingdoms to fight gangsters and bank robbers won't lift a finger to help and will most likely obstruct the new team. This whole idea was just over a decade old at the time. Everyone was winging it. Link to post Share on other sites
sandstorm Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Well, Munich 1972 changed the game pretty completely on the hostage takers and how to deal with them. If you take a look, most antiterrorism units have their inception in early-/mid-1970's as response to the fiasco at the lympic games. Sure, several units with AT focus had been around before, but after Munich, they were tasked with that too, because they were supposedly good enough to figure it out as they winged it. (SAS, for example...) Mysl, cheapest GBB MP5's I know are those chinese MP5J's... But the magazines need a bit of cleanup work to be fieldable. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 And was Delta Force not founded by someone that once served with / joint op'ed with the SAS by chance . I'm pretty sure it was founded by Chuck Norris. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 I'm pretty sure it was founded by Chuck Norris. He founded the universe, that is just his instructional video sent down to tell us all how to do it properly. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
titchikov Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Ah for the good old days! Where 45 minutes to develop a photo was lightning speed! Where Aimpoints were the size of Pringles cans! Where satellites were still in development! And is that fore grip just an M16 grip superglued on? Ah, even making me nostalgic, and I wasn't born til 1995... Link to post Share on other sites
Biggus Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 On the sidearms issue, the BHP was the original issue weapon of the HRT guys. They were lightly worked over by Novak Gunworks (note that the BHPs themselves did not have Novak's sights). Eventually, the FBI decided to transition to a .45ACP platform, and after a bit of an abortive attempt with a double stack Baer 1911 built on a Para frame, they ended up with the Springfield Pro. Link to post Share on other sites
Biggus Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Can't work out the edit function. Anyway, in my post I erroneously stated that they didn't use Novaks. This was true intiially, but later on most of the BHPs wore Novaks, from about 1989 onwards. Link to post Share on other sites
Danke Posted January 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 No doubt about Delta being as direct copy of the SAS as the founders could get away with. The really interesting thing in this though is that since the HRT was formed with Delta's assistance then the gear in the video is most likely very much the same as they would have used. Basicly a primer for any US based CT Team's equipment from that time period. FBI HRT was created with the help and guidance of Delta force.Have to say, since I saw this video couple of months ago I've had strange "itch" for old schoooooool black kits. And was Delta Force not founded by someone that once served with / joint op'ed with the SAS by chance . Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 big fan of the maglights mounted above the mp5 + foregrps has anybody got any better picture of these? likewise big fan of the lady in high heels dpm and a sleeka Link to post Share on other sites
Danke Posted January 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 I bet it's the same setup as this Link to post Share on other sites
titchikov Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 Is it definitely a maglite though? He called it an aimpoint, and it kind of reminds me of one of the big old fashion laser projectors, like this sort of thing. http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:MP5KA5.jpg Link to post Share on other sites
Danke Posted January 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 They have both maglights and the prehistoric aimpoint in the video. Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Given the tiny appature and the fact that he said that it projects a "point" means it's probably a visible laser. Link to post Share on other sites
Danke Posted January 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 If we're talking about the part with all the gats laid out on the table that's a red dot sight. They used to be no kidding about the size of a toaster oven. Link to post Share on other sites
T3CH Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 If we're talking about the part with all the gats laid out on the table that's a red dot sight. They used to be no kidding about the size of a toaster oven. Also depending on what type and generation it was some of them were totally opaque. Link to post Share on other sites
Danke Posted January 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 That's an OEG, or occluded eye gunsight. Big black circle with a red dot in the middle. You would look with both eyes and your brain would print the dot on the target. You can make your own by just covering the front lens of a red dot. Aimpoint was the next leap forward. You would keep both eyes open still but the dot would be "projected" onto the target. It was like witchcraft. Link to post Share on other sites
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