-Clover- Posted January 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) Regarding external dimensions, how accurate do you think they are? Do you think this would fit with a Crye Gunclip? Thanks! Always love trying to help out my fellow airsofter. As to the dimensions, I'll double check tomorrow to see just how good the fit is, but the gun fits into my Galco KingTuk IWB holster, so I'd imagine it should fit into one of those. Pic (not mine) for reference: As you can see it's a Kydex and leather hyrbrid. Kydex can be pretty unforgiving when it comes to specs, so if it'll fit into that, I'd imagine you shouldn't have any problems with the Gunclip. As I said I'll double check tomorrow and let you know about specifics regarding fitment with the Galco! Edited January 28, 2013 by -Clover- Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SixtyNiner Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Thanks again -Clover- I know the TM Glock 17 doesn't fit the Gunclip becuase the slide is out of spec compared to the real steel, so if the VFC does that would be another +1 in my book. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 How is the FPS? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L2E Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 WGC seems to have some in stock but the pics show either an S17 instead of the Glock logo or completely blanked with no trades at all. Is this just covering their butts on the web and the pistols actually have all the trademarks or is there two different models being sold under Stark Arms (Trades and No Trades)? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-Clover- Posted January 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 (edited) Unfortunately I don't have access to a chronograph so I can't give out any empirical data on the FPS WGC has some plain jane versions I believe, judging by this photo from Stark's FB-page captioned "Less is more!" : So to answer your question, "yes" they're selling two different versions. The trademarked ones aren't being advertised as being made by Stark though, most likely to try and avoid any litigation. Unless this thing turns into a big flop internally I see no reason not to get one of these as a sidearm. It can take real deal sights and fit into real-deal 9mm Glock holsters. Unless you're just super into the trademarks. Edited January 31, 2013 by -Clover- Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 At least the Stark Arms trademark is only on the frame. The first sample I saw had some ghastly laser engraved trades on the slide. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L2E Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Unfortunately I don't have access to a chronograph so I can't give out any empirical data on the FPS WGC has some plain jane versions I believe, judging by this photo from Stark's FB-page captioned "Less is more!" : So to answer your question, "yes" they're selling two different versions. The trademarked ones aren't being advertised as being made by Stark though, most likely to try and avoid any litigation. Unless this thing turns into a big flop internally I see no reason not to get one of these as a sidearm. It can take real deal sights and fit into real-deal 9mm Glock holsters. Unless you're just super into the trademarks. OK, so where are the trademarked ones on their site? I must be blind as I can only find the blank ones and the ugly S19 ones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-Clover- Posted February 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 The trademarked ones aren't being advertised as being made by Stark though, most likely to try and avoid any litigation. They're only officially advertising the "S" series guns and the blank 19 in that picture above as far as I can tell. At least for the moment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L2E Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Allen Wong at WGC just confirmed that the ones on the website don't have trademarks and they don't have any with trademarks in stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mimesis Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 The ones with trades were at TMC and EHA. Just those two sites. As of yesterday, both were long O/S. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vilerk Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 KIC has it. http://www.kic.com.tw/shop/product_info.php?info=p10248_G19-------------------------------------BK.html&XTCsid=757bbd0ec67885d1f7dcf0444768466b Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rvlyssup Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Yeesh, by the time I try to figure out how to order from the KIC website, it'll be out of stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-Clover- Posted February 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Put some more magazines through it today. With .20's and the hop up on I was able to keep the gun shooting perfectly lazer straight. At a distance of about 25/30 feet I was able to keep the gun consistently hitting an old Daisy 9x9 target box almost dead center. I'd say i was able to keep the groupings within a 3-4 inch diameter. I didn't have any actual target paper, was just taking pot shots so to speak at the cloth backing. As it's still winter here I won't be able to do any meaningful range testing outdoors until Spring or Summer. All the same I'm still very much pleased with this pistol! Oh, and to those who were worried about the full auto switch deteriorating or some such thing with use, in 20+ magazines fired through her, the switch is still just as stiff as it was out of the box. It hasn't worn down or anything from use. So to some of the detractors of these VFC pistols out there who are turned off by the *extremely* low profile switch, I'd say you've got nothing to worry about if that's the only thing stopping you from buying one of these guns. If you don't want to use the gun in full auto, simply don't. I'm just glad VFC didn't add an external switch (a-la KSC G23's and select fire 26's....), this way it simply makes it a nifty extra feature. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vilerk Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Yeesh, by the time I try to figure out how to order from the KIC website, it'll be out of stock. Don't worry, all you need to do is just email them, and they should respond pretty quickly, they have great CS. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Clover, no offense, but come back when you have done a couple of dozen magazines on full auto, that's what I would worry about Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rvlyssup Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Got my email response back from KIC, (Jessica) very speedy response but sadly it was bad news. They are unable to ship these Gs to the USA due to possibility of having an issue. Oh well... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L2E Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Got my email response back from KIC, (Jessica) very speedy response but sadly it was bad news. They are unable to ship these Gs to the USA due to possibility of having an issue. Oh well... Whoa! Wasn't expecting that... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
coolurjets Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 What's the shot capacity from one full mag at room temperature for these guns? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PreacherMan Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I've asked Ehobby about possible importation, they've said that they can take it down and ship it in parts on request. Perhaps that could work?The Email also stated they expect to have these back in stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
emp3ror86 Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 I could fire almost 40 rounds. I received mine yesterday with two additional magazines. To my surprise no leakings. Some work needs to be done on the hopup though. Full trades. Awesome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
volante Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 I think we have to look this gun for a while. VFC GBB always looked good when it's new, and seems fantastic value for its price but sucks in few month. In my country, Stark(VFC) Glocks are more notorious than WE's early GBB pistols... I'm not sure this would much better than previous models. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Yea my stark g18 sucked, sorry for bringing it up again. Granted the stark g19 looks better from the pictures on line and I heard they are meant to be much better made as well, but there were so many flaws with it, the biggest being the lack of any sort of scratch resistance on the polimer frame and the markings on the sights came off with a quick rub of a fingure nail not to mention the crappy recoile guide rod and dodge selector switch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wingman Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 The WE G19 appears to be pretty good (even though the trades are nothing to write home about) and at least we can get it here in the USA along with the KJW G23 (of which I own 2 and are darn nice pistols, even though based on older TM G26 internals). Guarders new G19 slides and frames for the KJW appear to work well on the G23, so at lease we can make one up if we feel the need. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
emp3ror86 Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 (edited) I chronoed mine. it is about 280-300 FPS with propane, room temperature. Shall I post my review pictures and information here or I should make a new topic? Edited March 1, 2013 by emp3ror86 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
coolurjets Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Here's pretty good Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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